You got it Portnoy. Teachers Unions; living up to low expectations.
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As I said drugs, its a failure of teachers and parents. The students are the results of their example(s). You and I come to the same conclusion differently because we were taught cognitive, logical and persuasive thinking. Not so today, it's now teach to a test with no apparent need for actual reasoning skills and it shows.
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renuzit, that was president Obama that had problems spelling out Ohio, I remember the Oiho picture!
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The teachers aren't always the problem BoB. First we need to put more accountability on the students and parents. As I've said before - many times the educational process is an exercise in futility, high schools have become more like adolescent day care places. The kiddies have no respect for themselves or anyone else (with a few exceptions) For most of them it's kinda like teaching a pig to sing - It annoys the pig and wastes your time
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I understand drugs, What I described is the way Parochial and Private schools operated when I was in Grade and High School over 50 yrs ago (sheesh!) and right up to today. My parents paid for my and 3 other sibling's education and were INVOLVED, the teachers made sure of that!!! Another possible solution would be to tie teacher salaries to Grad. rates. 30% dropout rate, they all get 30% less next school year. If they don't like it...move on. Additionally, parents of dropouts will be billed for the amount of time (money) already spent on their dropout child at the per pupil rate School budgets are configured. That's called accountability. It's way past time teachers and parents REALLY know what that means. As I said, I do not want to pay for this failure of parent and teachers anymore.
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What this would result? The kids from New York will be able to spell Mississippi, and the kids from Mississippi will be able to spell Ohio.
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MrBoB, something keeps me from punching the "agree" button on that post (the disagree didn't come from me), but I understand what you are saying. We didn't have this problem in days gone by. Hurt feelings, losers, and failing a grade or 2 was part of life that also taught us lessons. Parents allowed the teachers to command discipline in the classroom. Students "dressed" for school and attended with a learning attitude. Today we are looked at as "old fashioned" and are told that times have changed- "get with the program pops" - I'm surly no prude, but I do have a moral or 2 left, enough to see that society has lost its moral compass. We see it at the top, but it got its start with the education system, which also shows you where this "Common Core" crap is headed.
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This is the first time I have ever responded directly to a 'disagree'. Normally I don't care but this is different. I would really like to know what you disagree with and why. Seriously.
Statewide, NYS grad. rate is 74%. GHS 'boasts' a grad rate at 61% over the previous years 56%. Most students entering NYS Community Colleges are REQUIRED to take remedial courses and pay College prices for high school classes taxpayers have already paid for. I want my money back and I'm not willing to pay for this continuing failure of our education system any longer. Equality of outcome is obviously not working so instead of all these failed feel-good programs lets treat High School like College; taxpayers fund primary education grades K-8. After that, parents with high school students then pay the bill, and NOT with taxpayer subsidies, get a loan like everybody else. When you have 100% of the parents of high school students with ALL the skin in the game, THEIR money, not somebody else's on the line, then there will be a change in attitude. All that's happening now is the creation of a permanent uneducated underclass that will forever need to be 'taken care of' on the taxpayers dime.
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Peaceful, how come we never needed classes on "parenting skills" before??? Somewhere along the time line "new" parents got lazy and did not do the job they signed up for. Babies don't come with instruction manuals and (this may come as a surprise or shock) anybody can (well not anybody) -- any normal heterosexual couple can produce offspring, BUT there is a special quality needed to be a real mom or dad.
But you are right, today we have too many breeders and not enough parents.
There will be no improvement in schools or the education of our youth until parents learn how to parent properly. Parents spend so much time learning how to give birth, but no time learning how to parent (a lifelong process rather than just a time-limited event). The states need to put some time and money into parenting education.
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Too many who were disciplined and didn't like it ended up in positions in which they could remove the discipline. Instead of understanding that the discipline is what helped them to achieve their goals as adults, they chose to do something about the discipline through the creation of being "politically correct". Biggest mistake ever.
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but Flapper, today it is all about self esteem and giving good grades and everybody getting along, everybody gets an equal prize. Don't worry, be happy. A lot less is expected of HS graduates today than was expected of those in days gone by. But somehow (without being expressly told, we knew that.
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and Scarecrow, there was discipline not seen in today's classroom.
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@drugsrus - Back in the 50s,60s, and 70s we had schools that weren't afraid to fail kids and we didn't give awards just for participating.
If you didn't perform up to standards you failed and did it over again; this while your friends moved on.
Scare, Rs, Common Core Standards ARE Fed. standards. That's where the problem begins.
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Public schooling needs to be brought back to the local communities. Classes need to be geared towards getting high school graduates into the work force on graduation. That takes two things the local board of education and local industries. Bring teaching local trades back into the schools. What good is it if a student can cite thousands of theories but not find one application worth making a living. Education is supposed to be about becoming productive in society but now it is all about keeping educators productive.
This conversation seems to be as clear as mud. How about we return to the standards of the 1950s and 1960s ?? Oh, that's right -- silly me -- that was when teachers had control of the classroom and the students knew what was expected of them and they actually tried to excel in class.
Scarecrow57, I agree, and it would actually force competition among the states to achieve better results.
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States should be allowed the flexibility to determine how they meet federal standards for an education. This will allow for multiple approaches weeding out the ones that don't work and identifying the ones that do.
Just the talk of the school system gives my home mortgage an anxiety attack.
When States accepted TARP money they also unwittingly accepted Common Core Standards as part of the package. States were so greedy to get their share of TARP they never realized what the cost to our children is going to be, if they did know, they did not care, it was all about the money. Now it's going to be tough to get out from under that intrusive program (data mining of students' and their families) but local school districts across the country are trying with varying success. School districts around here should also try to get out from under this program because the only thing that will 'improve' is even greater Gov't and teachers union control over Education, parents be dam*ed.`
What standards are we talking about??? The major thing that needs improvement is "student" attitudes. They need to take responsibility, step up and learn by applying themselves to the subject matter. You know kinda like the old days when graduation rates and literacy were not a problem.
Yes - see my comment for Monday's editorial.
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