Needs to sleep...Catholics are the only ones that pray??? Where do you live??? Under a rock???
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No, what about, Jews, Muslims and other patriotic citizens that are not Christian?
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Heck it's ok as long as I can sacrifice a chicken to my savior Satan ...
no, it's not ok. That is what Catholic church is for.
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MrBob, that statement was further cloudied In 1947, when, in Everson v. Board of Education, the Court, for the first time, did not cite Jefferson’s entire letter, but selected only eight words from it. The Court now announced:
"The First Amendment has erected ‘a wall of separation between church and state.’ That wall must be kept high and impregnable."
Why would the Court take Jefferson’s letter completely out of context and cite only eight of its words? Dr. William James, the Father of modern Psychology—and a strong opponent of religious principles in government and education—perhaps explained the Court’s new strategy when he stated:
"There is nothing so absurd but if you repeat it often enough people will believe it."
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Annarondac, You are right. I was wrong to use the derogatory term "woodchuck" and I apologize. Did not really mean to offend anyone.
Maybe it's time for people to read "ELEMENTARY CATECHISM on the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES" written in 1828.
No Tot, they are not, but they are however forced to endure.
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There are references to god/religion throughout our country's heritage. Our government,our beliefs, constitution and our laws reflect the moral fibre that made up the people throughout our history. The great part about religion is that you are not forced to participate. You can do as you like and it should not bother anyone to endure the moments of prayer of other simplistic symbol of religion. You should be able to allow the modicum of respect that it would take to allow these to happen.
The article 11 was from the treaty of tripoli and nothing else.
FYI: The Pledge of Allegiance was written by Frank Bellamy in 1892 and made the official pledge by Congress in 1945. "Under God" was added in 1954.
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I haven't heard the derogatory "woodchuck" used in years! A definitive local slang, used to make fun of a group of people. I hope you're not looking to convince anyone to your opinion.
Lighten up everyone. After reading all of thses posts and to say something like, "it's not the letter of the law, but the spirit of law" my be beyond you woodchcucks to understand or embrace. How unfortunate and sad. This animosity is why I am happy I left, evem though I will always love my home town.
ADKman, maybe you can explain the difference between Allah, Jesus and God. I believe that they are one and the same. Like the father son and holy ghost also all one and the same! And you can pray to any god you like, I am not the intolerant one here!
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ROTF*****!!!! Yeah, TOT. The founding fathers not only wrote the pledge of alligiance, but also included "under God". And, as everyone knows, God is Jesus.
What if Gloversville elected a Muslim mayor? Would it be OK with you all to pray to Allah before each city council meeting? Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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The phrase 'separation of Church and State' does not appear anywhere in our Constitution. It comes from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Church in 1801 to ensure the Govt never would interfere with religious activities. It was not intended, as put forth by wikapedia and Lambert to ally the fears of muslims. This is another case of 'if you repeat a lie long enough, people will begin to believe it'.
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According to Frank Lambert, Professor of History at Purdue University, the assurances in Article 11 were "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers." Interesting reading about how the US was extorted for protection. Nothing is as simple as it seems.
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As I have said, who cares? How much time would it take for those that believe in prayer to say their prayer? How much sacrifice is there to allow someone the FREEDOM to do as they believe? Is it really so insulting to anyone that someone else believes in something? It really is only good manners to allow someone a few moments to do something that makes them feel better under stressful events. When all kindness is gone, when all we can do is bicker at each other, what remains?
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As instructed when I first went into grade school...
I Pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the Untied States of America. And to the republic, for which it stands, one nation under GOD. Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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John Adams in the Treaty of Tripoli: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." Founding Father. Fact. Rebuttal?
sorry there are only 1500 Subways across England not 2500, sorry about that But I wanted to make sure that what I post is correct.
Thank you for proving my point and proving Drugs wrong (again)TOT. 185-200 Subways out of 2500 across England is not "ALL" Thank you TOT, much appreciated.
Stackrat, the separation is that there is (and so far will be) no official government sanctioned religion. This came from the establishment of the Church of England, which at that time disallowed any other Christian sect. BUT as was said America was founded on Judeo-Christian values and regardless of what the boy king Barry Soetoro says we are still a Christian nation
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Has anyone remember the quote from our very own constitution, "a clear separation of church and state"?!
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