Agent: Read the poll question again. Who is the fool now? I expect your next post to contain the phrase, "For the kids."
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Yeah Orange, it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault isn't it. The rest of you're comment was well formatted and punctually correct. Thanks for setting us straight, teacher.
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First, for everyone throwing around the word "teacher" I'll remind you that the individual involved was an administrator, not a teacher. Secondly, the biggest reason why they AREN'T tested is simply because of the Unions. The caliber of comments on here really goes to show the level of education to begin with in this area. Do yourselves all a favor and educate yourselves about the processes involved in this discussion before you come on here proving that you're fools...
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Getting rid of the lazy, uneducated, and uncaring is a good idea in any professsion, teachers included. But we all know that there is no such thing in the ranks of teachers, right usedto?
Bobbi, you are a true compassionate American and I thank you for paying all those lazy, uneducated, uncaring teachers. they need an advocate.
You are correct BF1, priorities; that's why we who pay the salary's want them ALL tested. THEN we throw them out on their arses. Indeed, priorities.
It sounds like there is far more outrage here that people who might be under the influence of illegal substances are being paid while under the influence of those substances - not that people under the influence of illegal substances might be teaching our children. Priorities.
I agree that ALL Public Employees including publically elected persons should be drug tested.
why not? Invasion of Privacy is a BS argument becuase people can choose whatever field they want. No one has to be a teacher in a public school.
I consider myself a liberal, and even I agree that all public employees should be drug tested. It is common sense. These people are responsible for a portion of our childrens education...
Hill, you'll get no argument from me on that..I agree! Our state legislature is equally as dysfunctional as our US Congress. And I agree about worthless education courses. Teachers should be required to take courses in their field of study...forget the Ed psych and Ed philosophy courses. Teachers can get on the job experience in student teaching..
Hey PLEASEGETACLUE, when was the last time you applied for a job. Or had a small accident on the job. That's where I see people who work being tested all the time. Why should public employees be treated any differently.
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Actually Epcot Center. Next door.
laker: I happened to like my NYS Senator, hardworking and dedicated, but I also believe it is a dysfunctional governing body. And, mastery of their subject would be better served by a master degree in their subject area, not one in education taught by adjunct professors who are retired public school teachers showing the students the ropes they learned to "work" the system.
My sister taught el-ed until retirement and my brother is a college professor at a 4 year private college. Both told me that every year each incoming class get's progressively worse, lacking the basics. I was never interested in being a teacher myself and I am less interested in paying their 80-90K salaries. I have served on more than one BOE so I know how the worm turns. From my experience, everything I post is true. It may be different where you are. Where do you teach, Disneyland?
Test them all. Hilltopper where did you teach?
Hill, my son is a teacher...dedicated and puts in long hours, but any "connection" I might have is not relevant to the topic. I have no problem with any public employees being tested for drugs. Re SAT's...that wouldn't be a criteria for a teachers mastery of their subject area...student teaching and certifcaton tests are. Re admins, superintendents are usually on the other side of the bargaining table.
PleaseGAC: If drug abuse is considered a medical disease, wouldn't rehab be covered by the insurance plan? Sick days are given for illness and treatment. If the teachers' health care insurance doesn't cover it, I'm guessing nobody's covers it. I heard of a case where a teacher was removed from the classroom because he came to school hungover a couple times every week smelling like booze. He had to come to school everyday, twiddled his thumbs in the office for a year, and when his lawyer informed him that he was going to lose his case he put in his retirement papers.
Hey KT....could you please point out where "..... (Drug tested) just like almost all taxpayers are." where are taxpayers all being drug tested? I must've missed that memo
I negotiate for a living.(In the PRIVATE SECTOR) Not for the teachers Union, but I DO negotiate labor contracts. Most contracts that include drug testing also include rehabilitation for those who fail. Terminations come if rehab is refused. Who pays the cost of such rehab is also negotiable, so There is (or may be) much more cost here than meets the eye. I am not personally knowledgeable about what is or isn't in the Teachers Union Labor agreement, just an educated guess.
Exactly Hill. Who has the loudest voice in this problem? Is it the Parents or is it the politicians and unions who insist that if everybody can't have good schools, nobody can have them?? We all know the answer now the next question is WHY?
The gov and legislater should all be tested as well as law enforcement.
Teachers and administrators sitting on the same side of the table is dead on. As an administrator you know that whatever you get will be a bump up from what the teachers get. And, if you don't rock the boat your popularity will soar.
I think, laker, that a large part of the problem is that the School Admin's and the Union sit on the same side of the bargaining table and the taxpayers seat is empty. Parents, you still have Parental Choice. Use it to walk your children away from Public Education, it's NOT working..School Choice; vouchers, Charter Schools, Home School...whatever it takes to extricate your children from this chaos. Threats, harsh language and righteous demands will not solve this problem. Taking YOUR money out of their hands WILL.
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but will they "prep" the teachers and hold mandated "special review" classes for them like they do for the students prior to taking state test?
laker, step back from your personal connection to the teaching profession and see it as it is. The teachers' union is as much about fostering a better learning environment as Johnny Cocharan was about fostering justice. There are many more good teachers than bad, but protecting the few bad damages credibility for all. I agree with RANDOM drug tests for anybody receiving a paycheck from taxpayers, not announced 2 weeks in advance like the teacher's classroom evaluation. As for the SAT, a teacher should be eager to take it to show what a valuable asset he is to the district.
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Teacher's taking SAT's??...irrelevant. And why would the unions object to drug testing, as long as it includes admins and bd members??
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