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drugsrus

Nov-15-13 12:15 PM

check this out --

freepatriot -DOT -org/2013/11/12/high-school-seniors-testimony-devastates-common-core/

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TiredOfTax

Nov-12-13 10:55 PM

Now here is a big surprise! "Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization"

Read more: The Denver Post

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MrBoB51

Nov-12-13 3:54 PM

I suppose teaching to an ideology is nothing new, we've had secular and Religious education in this Country since it's inception. Fast forward to today, the American Religious educational institutions are not formally embracing CCS although they had agreed to past Federal and State educational programs, and those that have are being encouraged to make an orderly exit from CCS. Parochial Schools are not anywhere close to being satisfied with CCS so now parents have to seriously think about which method of Primary education they want for their children: Primary Education with a decidedly political/government influence or Primary Education with a decidedly Christian influence or let somebody else decide for you.

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drugsrus

Nov-12-13 10:25 AM

Wolf, how can lower standards be a move "in the right direction" ??? So you approve of the language in the sentences to be adjusted ("The President makes sure the laws of the country are fair" and "The commands of government officials must be obeyed at all times.")??? Common Core is more indoctrination than standards - and you are OK with that, Comrade ??

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WolfConover

Nov-12-13 8:11 AM

I think it's a move in the right direction... we know there are many HS "grads" who can't do college work. Let's fix this! If one isn't planning college after HS there's no point wasting time with academic subjects. In '42 you had been separated to college/no college by the time you were a Jr. Wolf

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drugsrus

Nov-10-13 11:21 AM

BUT Scarecrow those kids who were moved a grade up or down, only had a one level adjustment. IF you were to move to Mexico, the kids would be put in the grade appropriate for the level of their conversational Spanish. Why don't we try that in reverse here??? -- Nevermind that would be politically incorrect, insensitive, and racial.

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drugsrus

Nov-10-13 11:16 AM

OK Scarecrow, maybe we do need minimum standards, just not this low. How about we set the bar a bunch higher???

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MrBoB51

Nov-10-13 9:17 AM

Let's take a look at how progressive ideas are injected into this so-called educational curriculum by way of an English lesson being taught at a NJ school. 'Apparently one English exercise in New Jersey is teaching kids that the government must not be questioned. In the exercise, Kids are being tasked with correcting the grammar in sentences, but it isn’t the task that is at issue it is the sentiment in the sentences that is the problem. Two of the sentences read, "The President makes sure the laws of the country are fair" and "The commands of government officials must be obeyed at all times." These sentences are in an exercise titled "Hold the Flag High." Well, how is that? The President has no such role in the American system of making sure laws are "fair." Additionally, it is not an American sentiment that the government is all-powerful, all benevolent, and always correct. This is Common Core. Is this what you want your kids taught?

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Scarecrow57

Nov-10-13 8:33 AM

drugsrus - I recall 45 years ago taking IOWA test. That is how we were measured. Along with the Regents.

I also recall kids coming from other schools and being put back or ahead a grade simply because of their knowledge level coming in.

We do need minimum standards.

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Patriot1

Nov-09-13 5:18 PM

Far too much bureaucracy - far too much political correctness - far too little discipline - no reform schools - far too little 3 R's

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drugsrus

Nov-09-13 4:10 PM

Scarecrow, how did we measure that 50 years ago??? There really was only the Regents testing in NY. But amazingly way back then most kids all across the country learned the same stuff. Where you are missing it is that w-a-y back then more was expected from the kids and they knew it and responded. Common Core is more 1930s style indoctrination, or are you one of those who think that the gov't should decide what society should know?? An educated AND informed society is an enemy of the state.

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Scarecrow57

Nov-09-13 9:34 AM

drugs. It is scarier to me that many people do not believe in standards and goals. You MUST have some way to measure yourself against others, otherwise, you have no idea how well or bad you are doing.

I know the teachers oppose this as it takes away their ability to freelance. Instead, they must teach a common set of knowledge so that children at all schools get the same education.

Do you have a better plan?

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brooktrout

Nov-08-13 2:17 PM

engageny dot com

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brooktrout

Nov-08-13 2:17 PM

All you wanted to know about common core is here on engageny****

***********engageny****/common-core-curriculum-assessments

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MrBoB51

Nov-08-13 10:04 AM

Let me see if I've got this straight usedto. You don't like the fact Bush re-authorized a 37 yr. old Liberal sponsored Program and just because he signed it, everything ill that becomes of it is his fault. Ok, that's fair because a lot of us look at Obamacare the same way. And to be fair, it appears you do too.

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MrBoB51

Nov-08-13 9:39 AM

Usedto, by your comment, you don't seem to know that the 2001 No Child Left Behind Act was a re-authorization of Lyndon Johnsons 1964 Elementary and Secondary Act and was sponsored on the D side by Sen. Kennedy. In the House the vote was D:197 R:185. In the Senate it passed 91-8. History you cannot rewrite. Now, you were saying something about 'blame' and 'pushing' something by 'somebody'....?

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usedtolivethere

Nov-08-13 7:53 AM

Drugs, you've mentioned No Child Left Behind in a derogatory fashion several times. Was that one Obama's fault? or was there someone else that pushed that out there? hard to remember

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 10:12 PM

ToT, I hope you would expect the upper classes to be w-a-y ahead of the low standards Common Core expects. Every school had high standards that the students did their best to exceed because back when that "system" was in place, there was respect in society, people had "thicker skin" and could take criticism, more was expected of the students and they knew it and responded by applying themselves to actually learning the subject. Disappointing parents and teachers by not excelling is something almost laughed at by many of today's teens. But disappointments today are few as expectations are so low. And if you get out of school without a criminal record of any kind you make the honor roll

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TiredOfTax

Nov-07-13 7:26 PM

Hill you are right, there has got to be a way to compare your students will other schools students to see how you stand. It is not enough to cheer all the little things children do and think that they are getting a good education. It is a great idea to provide a way to meter your own schools progress or lack of any improvement. BUT it is not fair to the students that are on the upper end of this phase in as they are not up to the level that the new standards expect. You have to begin at the bottom then work your way up... You do not start school as a senior for good reason!

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 7:26 PM

WOW -- Hill -- I am really impressed -- I am almost at a loss for words

As my granddaughter would say "Good job"

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Hilltopper

Nov-07-13 7:18 PM

usedto: parents are indoctrinated to believe that their school, no matter which one, is providing the very best education possible with their "excellent" staff. From Oppenheim to Fonda its the same chant, "We have excellent teachers and my kid is on the honor roll." If you as a parent ask questions and for data to back it up you're labeled a troublemaker. In some districts, as test results indicate, mediocrity would be a step up. And, the first step to solving a problem is to recognize that there is a problem.

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 7:09 PM

usedto, wow no sniping, BUT things have been dumbing down for probably 25 years. No child left behind, and all that crap is the administration, the parents have been quietly accepting what is going on nobody really looking, it was a gradual decline. "They" finally pushed too hard and woke the sleeping giant. And he (us) is not happy.

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usedtolivethere

Nov-07-13 5:56 PM

schools generally do what parents demand. Parents have demanded mediocrity and feel good and that's what they're getting

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 5:32 PM

laker, scary isn't it

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 5:30 PM

surprise here gang, it's not the union but the administration that is causing the problems. A while ago here a friend of mine was a diesel/ heavy equip teacher and was told he was too hard on his students. He was told to make sure they got "good" grades and felt good about themselves. He also didn't have enough kids that wanted to be in his classes. They battled until he was demoted to a class of misfits for a couple of years - then he retired.

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