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Do you think the new Common Core educational standards adopted by New York state's schools are a positive change?

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laker88

Sep-12-13 2:54 PM

The Supt is fired and hired by the BOE. Totally agree with you that the BOE shouldn't be involved with day to day micromanaging. And I didn't mean to lump all BOE members together, its one of those thankless jobs.. there are many who put in long hours and who care about our schools...then there are those with the proverbial ax to grind.

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Hilltopper

Sep-12-13 9:58 AM

And that contract is executed by the superintendent and his administration. How does a superintendent enjoy a long tenure? Stay on the right side of the teachers' union. The BOE is not and should not be involved in the day to day operation of the schools. It is when you get a cowboy with an inflated ego, like in Gloversville, that the BOE cross the line into the realm of micro-management.

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laker88

Sep-12-13 9:11 AM

Yes, I see what you meant Drugs, and I agree. Hill, it shouldn't be "noteworthy"... my first post about this was a rebuttal to Scarecrow's comment that teachers have "had it easy for so long..." that is a sweeping generalization about the entire profession. I think you should walk in someone's shoes first before judging. Also, re BOE, they are the final decision making body for school districts. Teachers abide by their contracts, which are negotiated with the BOE.

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drugsrus

Sep-12-13 1:07 AM

Hill, all that baggage is called life. We all have "baggage", everybody has their own set of problems. Too many people can't separate things and deal with issues as needed. To most people life is tossed salad and that is where the baggage comes from and why they all have therapists.

And if a bunch of people tossed their problems in a pile in the center of a room and sat around discussing them, by the end of the session they all would be scrambling at the pile to get their own problems back.

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Hilltopper

Sep-11-13 11:00 PM

In theory the BOE sets policy and establishes goals. In practice the teachers' union runs the school and either throws sand in the gears or greases the wheels, however they see fit. Re: kid's having baggage; You brought it up. If everyone has baggage, as you stated, why is it noteworthy that teachers deal with it?

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drugsrus

Sep-11-13 10:40 PM

laker, you took that wrong. the teachers have been instructed to be sure that the kiddie get good grades and "feel good about themselves" - it doesn't matter what they actually learn or know.

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laker88

Sep-11-13 9:49 PM

To summarize...there are a lot of issues in our educational system that need to be addressed! And lest I forget, get rid of many State mandates, instead of adding more.

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laker88

Sep-11-13 9:43 PM

Yes Hill, some agreement. When we were more of an agricultural society, kids could help out on the farms in the summer. But now some states are going to the yr rnd school calendar. I question how educationally sound it is to have a 2 month interruption. There are too many distractions in US schools...sports, music, theater etc etc..should we follow Europe's model, doing the extras outside the school...maybe? Re educator's have baggage, well...Dr's, lawyers everyone has baggage. I think tenure should def be addressed, but not before we take a look at how our schools are governed...by school boards made up of people who need no qualifications. And the inequitable way we fund our schools through prop taxes.

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Hilltopper

Sep-11-13 9:00 PM

Laker: In my school dealings I have seem more than a few educators come to class with quite a bit of baggage. The problems include alcohol abuse, drug abuse, marital problems, spousal abuse, and just a rotten attitude. Do they these problems effect the ability to teach? Try learning in a class where the teacher is preoccupied and distracted by life outside of school.

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Hilltopper

Sep-11-13 8:49 PM

Tenure, the short school day, and the short school calendar are issues that need to be addressed before a serious discussion takes place regarding schools. Teachers spending less than 4 hours a days in a teaching environment, 40 weeks a year, is a good place to start. I'm sure you agree that the kid's could use it.

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laker88

Sep-11-13 5:40 PM

Hill, I usually agree with your politics, but some disagreement here with educators. So with your last post, where does that leave us??....simply at a point where people have certain talents and are not all suited for the same jobs. Maybe Yale and Harvard have Ivy walls, but to gain some insight into the "real world" walk into a classrm of 25 students, especially in a rural sch district and check out the diverse problems some of these kids are dealing with....broken homes, no guidance, abuse etc etc. In our society, teachers unfortunately have to wear many hats other than educator, none moreso than that of psychologist. Drugs makes a good point of self esteem...with many students, the best part of their day is when they walk into school and receive the caring/guidance that is so lacking in some of their homes.

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drugsrus

Sep-11-13 2:35 PM

renuzit, and the test scores are low because......... ??? How about the little (and bigger) brats not doing their job of learning ?? Low test scores are more a product of maintaining self esteem and political correctness than poor teacher abilities.

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drugsrus

Sep-11-13 2:31 PM

yup, times certainly have changed. Recently in the news there was a story about a 8th grade test from 100 yrs. ago. Many adults today couldn't pass it today. Check it out. usedto and swizzer -- you'll have to find it on your own - can't post links here -

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renuzit

Sep-11-13 2:21 PM

Fort Plain school district has been living high on the hog; buying new cars, grand sports complexes,huge pensions, new bus facilities, with a small portion going to students. It's a like a teacher run welfare system with the kids eating cheap food, and the parents getting cigarettes and beer in a palace! The test scores were low and the taxes are high! Need to reel this situation in somehow!

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Hilltopper

Sep-11-13 1:07 PM

Laker: Your question as to how long Scarecrow would last in a classroom should have a second part. Do you wonder how teachers would fare in a real world pressure cooker job environment, a professional job requiring advanced degrees with deadlines, competition, 12 hour days, holiday work and weekends if necessary, and 2 weeks vacation when they let you take it? Beyond the ivy walls the real world exists, all for a similar salary.

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laker88

Sep-10-13 6:14 PM

The editorial by John Metallo nails it on the head. As with so many issues, the more the State is involved, the worse it gets.

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laker88

Sep-10-13 6:05 PM

Scarecrow..."they've had it easy for so long etc" I think you're better than that..surely you can see the absurdity of that sweeping generalization about the entire teaching profession...and by the way, I'm not a teacher, but have several family members who are...I see them working evenings, weekends, and often on vacations. I wonder how long you'd actually last in a classrm?? Lizzie is right, common core will change nothing. And re tenure,as long as school board members don't need a high school diploma, I think teachers should have a little job protection, but the process to get rid of the deadwood needs to be streamlined.

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lizzie

Sep-10-13 11:50 AM

Google or Bing "common core" - there's nothing common about it. 50 states, and 50 versions of each states interpretation of common core. You can call it whatever you want, from state to state it isn't going to be the same. It will change nothing. Want a true evaluation of teachers, get rid of tenure.

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MrBoB51

Sep-08-13 1:59 PM

We pledge allegiance to a symbol of freedom for all and to the Republic for which it stands. Not a person, a President or Federal family, and certainly not a 'democracy' but a REPUBLIC. Sadly, way too many believe and have been taught we have a 'democracy' or in essence, mob rule. What they need to be taught is America is a Democratically ELECTED Representative REPUBLIC with LIBERTY and justice for ALL, not a few or 'the chosen' as some would have us believe. One h*ll of a difference. We DO NOT say 'We pledge allegiance to the flag and to the DEMOCRACY for which it stands' for a darn good reason. I don't think it's a matter of questioning authority scare, to me it's a matter of not understanding or being taught what type of Government we have. Take Egypt for example; a democratic mob threw out one leader, the same mob elected another, a year later the same mob threw out THAT leader. That's what Democracy looks like, a mob with no direction.

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drugsrus

Sep-08-13 10:25 AM

Scarecrow, the Pledge of Allegiance that we repeated every day is to the American experiment that is still (so far) ongoing. This administration is doing their level best to make us like the European model we broke from 237 yrs. ago. Read the Declaration of Independence and see if you think it is time to re-compose our government.

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Scarecrow57

Sep-08-13 9:23 AM

@FormerResidentThankGod - It isn't the parents or the kids who don't like it. It is the teachers who are being held to a standard. hey have had it easy for so long they really don't like being held accountable. That is what this is all about.

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Scarecrow57

Sep-08-13 9:20 AM

MrBob - "Drugs, I caught that remark by Sebelius telling us the Federal Govt. is our Federal 'Family'. What, like 'Mother Russia'???"

And yes I agree with you. But what about pledging allegiance to the mother land?? Is that not the same thing? And yes I grew up where we did this every morning. Then in the 60s and 70s we began to question authority.

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MrBoB51

Sep-08-13 8:59 AM

Formerresident, the fact that travon martin's girlfriend 'precious' couldn't read cursive or much else for that matter proves your point, its 'common'.

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FormerResidentThankGod

Sep-07-13 11:09 AM

Common Core has been introduced to eliminate the truthful history of our country. Cursive writing will no longer be part of the curriculum. Many historical documents, including the Constitution will be foreign to the products of this indoctrination. History will be whatever the government decides it wants it to be. It has become painfully obvious that the government can no longer be trusted as they continue to tell lies when the truth is obvious through facts and footage available to all of us. I won't be around much longer, but the today's parents need raise holy h*ll and get this garbage thrown out before it's too late.

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MrBoB51

Sep-07-13 9:56 AM

You just described yourself peeps, sitting on your lazy butt in front of your pc complaining about everybody else. Welcome to the conversation!!!

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