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Do you support the state's plan to spend $54 million to help renovate the Buffalo Bills' Ralph Wilson Stadium?

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Mar-27-13 1:08 PM

You've got to be kidding!

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Mar-27-13 2:26 PM

The Bills payroll is in the millions. Let them renovate it themselves.

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Mar-27-13 2:35 PM

taxtired, the Bills' contract with the owner, Erie County, contains an escape clause, which the franchise can use to leave the city altogether if attendance continues to decline.

So it's either subsidize with $54MM and hopefully see an even bigger return on the investment OR the team leaves altogether for another city who will see millions in revenue Buffalo and Erie County will not.

Of course, knowing this rather important piece of information is crucial to the central argument of whether or not taxpayers should pay for this. You just refuse to actually accept it.

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Mar-27-13 2:54 PM

So let them use it. Will they no.

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Mar-27-13 2:56 PM

RS Did You read the contract??

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Mar-27-13 2:57 PM

Ps Maybe they can go to New Jersey with the NEW YORK GIANTS and the NEW YORK JETS.

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Mar-27-13 4:29 PM

If we didn't have swizzer on here, how would we know what was going on in the world? He sees all, he reads all, he knows all! I'll just read his posts to get my information. (sarcasm)

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Mar-27-13 5:42 PM

So let them leave, they stink anyway

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Mar-27-13 7:01 PM

taxtired, ALL NFL franchises, like most professional organizations, have escape clauses that bind them with the owners of the stadium, in this case Erie County.

If you've ever seen the movie 'Major League', this was the clause used for why the new owner wanted to move from crappy Cleveland to Miami.

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Mar-27-13 7:03 PM

Gemini, your're about to be a card-carrying Chromy Club member like taxtired.

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Mar-27-13 7:03 PM

When sports figures, their owners and stadium owners make MILLION$$ but teachers, firefighters, mechanics, electricians, plumbers and many others only make a living... it is time for them to fend for themselves! Then there are politicians who do not make a fortune but somehow one magically appears from out of thin air while they are sleeping.

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Mar-27-13 7:24 PM

TiredOfTax, you really are something. Like usedto or someone else with a brain once said here: you must be a real hit at parties or even at the water cooler.

Saying that people who have spent their lives training for a professional sport where the odds of getting in are 1 in a million should be paid as much as blue-collar professionals is pretty socialist to me. I just know you can't wait to admit that.

"teachers, firefighters, mechanics, electricians, plumbers"

Those are all unionized professions that you profess to hate all the time for driving up the costs for everyone else.

Oh, how I love irony!

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Mar-27-13 8:07 PM

Why not, we already give corporate welfare a wide array of rich folks. Including the mayor of NYC and Warren Buffet and GE. Why not give some bailout dough to something that at least entertains some folks. We also give billions[not 54 mil] to illegals who dont belong here. Give some welfare to an American.

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Mar-27-13 10:18 PM

So RS, you are saying that the guy that catches a football is worth more than the doctor that holds your beating heart in his hands? Yes I can see you are the important one here! Thanks for the lesson today o masterful one! I believe that your relevance here is on the waning edge...

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Mar-27-13 10:20 PM

PS RS... no matter what your profession, unionism is always an option not the rule! Many people are NOT in a union.

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Mar-27-13 10:40 PM

so swizzer, the pro sport athletes are worth thier salaries??? God himself is not worth what some of those guys are getting paid. But on the other side of that coin, the owners are making Billions - they should be paying millions.

And with that kind of (much) money floating around the team owners and the county ought to be able to work something out. Hey Jerry Jones spent a few bucks in Dallas and everybody seems happy.

The answer is NO

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Mar-27-13 11:06 PM

I read in somewhere back in the fall that our federal government loses huge sums of tax revenue from the NFL. Apparently according to the article the NFL has NON-PROFIT organizational status.

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Mar-28-13 6:47 AM

OMG I'm sorry to all the Tiger Woods of the world...youve trained so hard to be an athlete and make the billions for throwing a ball, or swinging a bat or a club... We repay you with your billions, but wait let us now the tax payers who make nothing compared to what you get now praise you even more by taking the money that should be going to schools and children who are trying to get a good education and are starving in the USA (and there are many)..give it to you because you are so worthy because you can swing a bat or throw a yes that makes sense

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Mar-28-13 6:58 AM

Paul Tsongas, a Senator who ran for Pres years ago, was on target when he said that the US has become an "entertainment" society, rather than an "education" society. His words may echo true today....according to CNNMoney, over 2/3 of engineering grads are non US citizens. I should google to see how that stat applies to the medical field! RS has a valid point in that the odds of making it in Pro sports are miniscule, and also if you falter, someone is right there to take your place. However I think that something is "broken" in society when a professor at Duke makes a mere fraction of what Coach K of the B'ball team makes, which according to the SunTimes is...are you ready...$4.95 MILLION. Coach K says his salary is justified because he is an "ambassador" for the college....I'll leave it for others to comment about that.

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Mar-28-13 8:04 AM

I'm not saying that anyone here buys tickets to these sports, but I am saying that if people didn't buy tickets, these things would crumble in a New York minute. So do we blame the atheletes? the owners? Who among you, when offered a raise, says that you're not worth that and decline it? These people are doing what any of us would do. Difference is that we are not in the position to do it so we take them to task. Whine all you want...nothing will change. And TOT, nice to see that you support teachers. If their union was stronger they might make the wages you think they deserve.

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Mar-28-13 9:00 AM

Corporations buy up huge blocks of tickets at all sports venues, I don't see that stopping. I agree in that few people would say they're "not worth it" and give back some salary, and I agree that it won't change. I'm not taking the people(Coach K et al) to task, but rather a society/system that has enabled these salaries to get sooo out of hand. Even though I agree with tot's statement re teachers, firemen etc, I also find the irony "interesting."

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Mar-28-13 9:31 AM

TiredOfTax, I most certainly did not say a doctor is more important than an NFL player. Your logic is flawed (there's a surprise) because your admitted emphasis is on 'importance' versus 'worth.' I never said anything about 'importance.'

You continue to compare apples to oranges when you pit a football player against a doctor. Only you would ever do that.

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Mar-28-13 9:57 AM

Rs You seen the clause on the movie?? Was it a fiction movie??

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Mar-28-13 10:42 AM

No wonder he gets misinformed. He gets his information from hollywood.

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Mar-28-13 11:51 AM

This is an academic exercise since King Cuomo II gets the use of a VIP box there courtesy of the NYS taxpayers. You have NO choice and just like the money going to the Tonight Show to reward Cuomo's hollywierd buddies, we have no say. Cuomo makes it clear: PAY UP AND SHUT UP!

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