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Do you support the New York state gun-control measures approved by legislators?

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Taxedtoomuch

Jan-15-13 2:38 PM

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ---- ------------- ------------- Uganda established gun cont

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Taxedtoomuch

Jan-15-13 2:39 PM

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------ You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

*Taken from a 'Lee M' because I'm too lazy to type all that out*

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Taxedtoomuch

Jan-15-13 2:40 PM

Point is, I own a weapon and hope that I never have to use it. The 2nd is a deterrent from government having too much power and keeping society free.

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PleaseGetAClue

Jan-15-13 2:50 PM

And TOT...if you really expect the same here...you should leave the country

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renuzit

Jan-15-13 3:04 PM

If you are a law biding citizen you don't have to worry about anything, but if you are a criminal, yes you do.

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Taxedtoomuch

Jan-15-13 3:25 PM

PGAC, I am sure none of those citizens expected any of those events to happen to them either. I do not expect any of that to happen at this time. What guarantees do any of us have that such events could never occur here? What happened to the Japanese Americans? Answer:

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Taxedtoomuch

Jan-15-13 3:26 PM

A historical fact that is not really "common knowledge" is the fact that, during World War II, over 100,000 Japanese-American individuals, the vast majority of which were actually American citizens, were rounded up and shipped eventually to internment camps. These consisted of poorly-constructed barracks surrounded by barbed wire, sentry posts and armed guards.

They were put in these camps, not because they had been tried and found guilty of something, but because either they or their parents or ancestors were from Japan and, as such, they were deemed a "threat" to national security. They were also easily identifiable due to their race. There was no similar large-scale roundups of German or Italian-Americans, even though we were also fighting them during World War II.

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PeacefulWorld

Jan-15-13 4:47 PM

I feel that a big part of this issue is the fact that this country is WAY too lenient with criminals. There should be a point where criminals lose their rights as human beings - specifically when they commit first degree murder or rape a child. Once all the evidence is in and they're convicted, they need to be put to sleep forever immediately. That would be quite a deterrant for other criminals. The Colorado killer and others like him will sit in jail forever or be let back out into the community to commit more crimes. We're getting too over-populated for this nonsense. Is he worth all those taxpayers dollars? We have "rights" as Americans, but what are the expectations for the behavior of each individual. If every household has guns, we would become a "shoot 'em up" society - just like in the movies, on the video games, and in the Middle East. Do you think children and teenagers won't be able to find those magazines that the parents have hidden away. The Japanese-

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PeacefulWorld

Jan-15-13 4:50 PM

The Japanese-American roundup in the 1940s was a BIG mistake by FDR, but these people weren't exterminated.

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Taxedtoomuch

Jan-15-13 5:27 PM

Agreed, a BIG mistake and still very wrong! Realized as a mistake after the fact. I am not much of a gun owner. Only have one. What I am concerned about is loss of liberty! Things start small and tend to grow until it is too late. Then everyone looks back and wishes they did something. We as a people have become complacent and take our freedoms for granted.

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TiredOfTax

Jan-15-13 6:14 PM

Today is a sad day for New Yorkers, it is the first day that I am truly ashamed of the decisions that are thrust on us that are not constitutional therefore not legally binding. As far as getaclues comment WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? You have got to be on drugs arguing with me before I even post! This topic isn't over as far as I can tell it hasn't begun till they shoot the first owner of a legally owned gun in defense of this law, then it has started.

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TiredOfTax

Jan-15-13 6:18 PM

PleaseGetAClue, the people that should leave this country are not the people that respect the laws, follow the constitution and love our country... It is the people that want us to change the USA to conform to a new constitution and want to destroy what America is about that should be deported.

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bleekerbob

Jan-15-13 6:32 PM

peaceful; If you don't think this could happen here,wait and see what KING Obama is going to try and do.First using executive order to avoid congress.Our military are taking orders from NATO and UN not congress like it suppose to be. allowing bankers to steal money from the american people for their debt, Obama head of the UN security council against the constitution Sec. 1 article 9, (conflict of interest). Starting wars without permission of congress by using executive orders. We have drones flying over the united states spying on us. Legalizing illegal aliens through executive orders.Patriot act. the list goes on and on. So don't think it can't happen here it already started.

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bleekerbob

Jan-15-13 6:34 PM

sorry peaceful I I was referring to please get a clue

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Letscutthebs

Jan-15-13 6:59 PM

In order to take away guns from the people they would have to enlist the military to do so. Police departments and federal agencies do not have the capability (although at the rate the IRS is going ...). The US military will not stand for this. We have an all volunteer Military and they are the ones screaming louder than all the rest. They fight for our rights and watch as they are stripped day by day, more and more, by fear mongering. It's hard to recognize our even be proud to be an American if this is what we've become. We depend on government to solve all of our problems and take no responsibility for our own actions. We invent fake diseases to explain behavior of criminals. This is a sad, sad day in NYS. Vets and those who died protecting your rights are roling in their graves.

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rschweizer

Jan-15-13 7:04 PM

TiredOfTax you're off your rocker. Exactly what is so 'unconstitutional' about this law? It was was a bipartisan effort. And the constitutionality of a law is up to the courts to decide, not you. You have an issue with it? File a suit and challenge it.

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Taxedtoomuch

Jan-15-13 7:20 PM

I just read an article that states "WASHINGTON (AP) -- Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner says the government has begun borrowing from the federal employee pension fund to keep operating without surpassing its debt limit."

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drugsrus

Jan-15-13 8:40 PM

PeacefulWorld- I'm impressed

swizzer- is there a part of the Second Amendment that you do not understand ????? "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." seems pretty plain to me.

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TiredOfTax

Jan-15-13 10:03 PM

If you disarm the public, even one single gun or the ability to fire it because of the number of bullets it can hold, do YOU then accept the responsibility if anything at all harms them? YOU SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE! You should be made to pay, and not with taxpayer dollars.

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getreal

Jan-16-13 6:48 AM

Gun Laws that are in effect already in other states an cities don't seem to working...In the five borrows they have strict gun laws um criminals are still killing people with them so whats gonna change? Whats gonna change is that law abiding citizens will not have the means to protect themselves! Shame on you!

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getreal

Jan-16-13 6:55 AM

Taxed.. I agree with you.. our whole society has become complacent...it is what can the government do for me our should I say hand me..instead of what can I do for myself.. Like other stupid laws, i'm sure more will be passed until not even the police will be allowed to carry their own guns! And I'm not a gun owner.

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PeacefulWorld

Jan-16-13 11:59 AM

When the second amendment was created in 1791 stating the right of the people to keep and bear arms, today's high-powered military weapons were not invented. I can't imagine people expecting to have these types of weapons in the home setting. Can't you be happy with a simple rifle or handgun to protect your family?

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Hilltopper

Jan-16-13 12:07 PM

The new law is an example of throwing out the baby with the bath water. Cuomo gets a "F", and he just flushed down the crapper any hope of a national run for office. Keeping guns out of the "wrong" hands will not be accomplished by keeping guns from the "right" hands, those who are law bidding and have already undergone a background check.

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drugsrus

Jan-16-13 12:17 PM

PeacefulWorld- you ars partly right. The 2nd Amendment was put in place so that the citizens can protect themselves from a tyranical government. The people have the right to own the same weaponry that is available to the government. Do most people want these arms? probably not, BUT they are allowed them . As has been said in another thread here, an AR-15 is a hunting rifle, IF the stock is wood or cammo painted, which has been discribed as a 22 on steroids, not really a high power weapon (depending on the ammunition used), paint the thing black and suddenly it transforms into a mass killing machine that must be banned. Go figure. It is amazing what a coat of paint can do

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Scarecrow57

Jan-16-13 12:22 PM

Taxedtoomuch - LOL!!! You posted factual history am some Liberal high school drop outs disagreed.

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