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Squabbling’s effect unknown

Local government officials say municipal cooperation needed

By MICHAEL ANICH, The Leader-Herald
POSTED: December 7, 2009

GLOVERSVILLE - While opinions vary on whether the squabbling among Fulton County municipalities that could doom the city's Walmart Supercenter project could also hurt the county's future economic development efforts, most agree cooperation among municipalities improves the chances of the county landing such projects.

Johnstown Mayor Sarah Slingerland has said her Common Council doesn't intend to approve sewer service sought for seven parcels related to the Walmart Supercenter project in Gloversville that the retailer says it needs to move the project forward. Walmart disputes the city of Johnstown's contention that it only needs to approve sewer for one of eight parcels sought - the Fulton County Federal Credit Union - to keep the project moving.

The council already has approved that connection, but now the town of Johnstown has threatened to sue the city of Johnstown because the town wants to establish a sewer district that could spur development on town land around the supercenter site.

Meanwhile, the city of Gloversville waits in the wings - hearing from Walmart that it may pull the project bordered by Hales Mills Road and South Kingsboro Avenue Extension. The supercenter was expected to employ about 200 people.

The Fulton County Economic Development Corp., which solicits companies to move into the area, relies on promotion of the area to attract new business.

EDC Executive Vice President Jeff Bray said Tuesday the municipal infighting hasn't shown up in a negative way yet on his economic development radar.

"It has not, at this point," Bray said. "It hasn't manifested itself in any type of reaction."

But Bray is quick to point out the recession has hit New York state hard and times are slow anyway. Still, he said he has recently spotted the Army Corps of Engineers at the supercenter site, which he said is good news for the project.

Slingerland said today the face of economic development may be changing anyway, and it may benefit the internal parts of cities more. She didn't directly answer the question of whether her city's stance is hurting area economic development's bigger picture, but talked more about trends.

"I've actually been thinking about this this morning," the mayor said.

Slingerland said she's monitoring development activity on the state and federal levels, and grants and Payments In Lieu of Taxes, or PILOT, agreements are being designed to appeal more to the "internal growth" in cities instead of on the outskirts.

"I'm thinking about where we're going with all of this on a larger scale,' Slingerland said.

Ten years ago, the Fulton County Industrial Development Agency helped build the Crossroads Business Park, which has had little activity other than the Epimed medical devices company.

IDA Executive Director James Mraz answered the question of whether the Walmart disagreement is hurting local economic development by noting the county's successes the past 20 years occurred when the towns and cities looked at the bigger picture.

"Our successes with economic development have in large part been based upon a high level of cooperation and working together among all the municipalities to achieve the common good of making Fulton County a better place to do business," Mraz said.

He said it "remains to be seen" if whatever happens to the Walmart project squelches future cooperation. But Mraz said cooperation is "imperative" to move any development engine forward.

Gloversville Mayor-elect Dayton King, a Northville native, agrees that municipal cooperation is imperative to help a project like the Walmart Supercenter come to fruition. But he also said officials in the county have to consider more sweeping changes such as municipal consolidation to help the county be more successful.

He said changing the Sewer Use Law could be looked at, or more importantly, studying further efforts at combining the cities of Gloversville and Johnstown and the town of Johnstown into "one city" could enhance future development.

King said if those layers of government had been combined to begin with, Walmart "would have been here sooner" and the store would be open by now. He said he would like to see more cooperation to the point of turning the county, with the attractions of its lakes, into more of a true destination for tourists.

"I think we could be another Glens Falls or Lake George," King said.

He said too much local haggling results in municipalities engaging in quid pro quo agreements in which something can only be achieved if both sides get their issues approved.

"I think too much of that happens," King said.

Michael Anich covers Johnstown and Fulton County news. He can be reached at johnstown@leaderherald.com.

 
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Preacher
12-09-09 9:30 AM
Oh wait before Adirondack gets his shorts in a knot...I meant to type history and capitalize the T in That.

Preacher
12-09-09 9:29 AM
You are telling ME to get a dog?!?! Good grief! "They should remember that Gloversville was the hub of Fulton County in the eary days." IT"S NOT NOW! Here's a historu lesson for you. Before that, Gloversville was called Stump City. Maybe they should go back to it. that's about all that's going to be left when the big Super Center pulls out of town.

Adirondack
12-08-09 3:02 PM
It was a simple typo preacher. Is that all you have to pick on? Everyone knows it was a typoof American. Get a dog or something please

JudyMarcoux
12-08-09 12:36 PM
So a squab-ling would just be a small, cooked pidgeon ? :)

Preacher
12-08-09 11:51 AM
What are Amican made products? Whre is this country you speak of?

ILoveSnow
12-08-09 10:18 AM
There are a lot of opinions about how the people in the local governments are doing such a bad job...if they are so bad then why don't you run for office and change things.

Discobulous
12-08-09 9:43 AM
"Until it's cooked it's just a pigeon".....sounds incredibly like Gloversville, doesn't it.

JudyMarcoux
12-08-09 9:41 AM
Thanks Laker. Fulton county needs more manufacturing jobs, not retail. Yes, we can only hope.

laker88
12-08-09 9:33 AM
AMD is the computer chip company coming into Malta at Luther Forest. Construction is underway. An independent study that was paid for by Nat'l Grid, showed new job projections around 5500. And it could be the first of 5 plants in the area. Even lowly Fulton Co. could be impacted....we can only hope!

NoWhine
12-08-09 7:54 AM
Squab is a pigeon..until it's cooked it's just a pigeon.

Discobulous
12-07-09 10:59 PM
A squab is a bird, isn't it? Must not live around here.

TheArchitect
12-07-09 9:20 PM
The real problem is our so-called economic development leaders keep telling us that their efforts are successful:

"Our successes with economic development have in large part been based upon a high level of cooperation and working together among all the municipalities to achieve the common good of making Fulton County a better place to do business," Mraz said.

After over 10 years and the Crossroads Business Park has only one building, Epimed despite all the free $$ IDA has.

The lack of economic development leadership's effect are well documented with a lack of business developing in the area, and the ones that do, leave when their PILOT program is over.

stratford
12-07-09 9:01 PM
One other think I noticed about johnstown (all of fulton) people are out of control with the lottery. While I know it generates tax revenue, those people that are playing it constantly have a problem. maybe limit them to $10/week . It really is just a money pump out of the local economy.

JeffreyR
12-07-09 8:54 PM
Adirondack: I don't think that I will ever understand the smug attitude from Johnstown. I see absolutely nothing there except as in Gloversville, desolute buildings and decaying neighborhoods.

Adirondack
12-07-09 8:52 PM
I go online and buy Amican Made products

JudyMarcoux
12-07-09 8:17 PM
Peebles sells crap too. My new winter coat, $180 price tag, was made in Viet Nam ! It was 50% off so I bought it. Most of their stuff is made in Egypt, Israel, Viet Nam, etc.

What is AMD ?

stratford
12-07-09 8:00 PM
In reality the local economy will either cause walmart to open a super center. Right now they are just trying to see how much the can squeeze out of taxpayers. It is really just a bunch of cheap crap that you don't need. If you do drive to the big city of albany once a month. Heck Hit the New York state museum, it is FREE! Maybe pack a lunch and make a day of it.

laker88
12-07-09 7:31 PM
When AMD opens in Malta, it will be very educational for their employees to bring their children over to Fulton Co. to see first hand what life is like in the stone age.

stumped
12-07-09 6:11 PM
Has Johnstown's mayor met with the managers of the existing Walmart facilities to explain the city's position? A number of years ago, Walmart's Arkansas executive in charge of return centers wanted to close Johnstown's center and move it to a new facility in Hershey, Pa. The L-H reported that at the time. What makes Johnstown think that a $200 billion plus company won't be "offended" that Johnstown was unfriendly to one of its companies and won't consider moving out. Tell me why you think that Walmart's headquarters, people who eat and sleep the company aren't offended when someone impedes their business plan?

Adirondack
12-07-09 5:03 PM
Ya know what gets me... Johnstown residents seem to be all snug and mighty. They should remember that Gloversville was the hub of Fulton County in the early days. The place to see, then there was the twin cities. Now Johnstown vs Gloversville. Gloversville's downfall with also be Johnstown's because both cities would not work with one another. Johnstown Council has set their city up for their downfall and will be remembered, not as leaders, but followers of Gloversville misconduct and self-serving votes. Johnstown has offended Fulton County as a whole, and we who have lived here our whole lives know what good memories we have. Johnstown has let the county of Fulton down in ways that in the future will only be determined. When the dime drops, Johnstonians won't be so smug, but will be looking for County help.

Discobulous
12-07-09 4:56 PM
If Clifton Park is the 'bedroom of state employees' that would explain why it has so many motels.

Preacher
12-07-09 3:49 PM
CLIFTON PARK! For the love of Pete! If I wanted to live in a place like Clifton Park, i would live in Clifton Parf. It's nothing but one massive suburb and strip mall. I could drive you through Clifton Park, blid fold you, take you to western Long Island, tak off the blind fold and you wouldn't know you had left CP. CP is the bedroom of state employees, well most of them.

UpstateEagle
12-07-09 3:29 PM
I understand the point of focusing on downtown. It is valid. I am at an age where the down town that you see in both cities is what I have seen all of my life here. They aren't dormant, they are dead. "Shop Downtown" How? These shop owners are not willing to be open outside the 9-5 window, give or take a little. If one doesn't get out of work until 5, how can they shop at those shops? Johnstown can brag about their Downtown, however if it weren't for the outskirts, ie the Arterial, they wouldn't have the Tax Base that they do. The only difference in the cities is where Rt. 30 lies with relation to the city line!

ChiefDJ
12-07-09 2:47 PM
Will the last person leaving G'ville make sure the lights are turned off!

JudyMarcoux
12-07-09 2:13 PM
Well said Rick. These officials and politicians seriously need to grow up, start thinking about the county as a whole instead of their own little fifedoms.

What companies would want to open business in this area if all they will run into is municipalities fighting with each other.

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