Gloversville officials upset with Johnstown
Mayor Hughes: Counterpart’s actions are ‘extortion’By KAYLEIGH KARUTIS, The Leader-Herald
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GLOVERSVILLE - According to the Gloversville mayor, Johnstown Mayor Sarah Slingerland is using approval of sewer service for the proposed Walmart Supercenter as a bargaining chip in order to bring more revenue to her city.
Slingerland, however, vehemently denies such claims.
Gloversville Mayor Tim Hughes said Slingerland is holding the project up because she wants her city to be involved in a revenue-sharing agreement between Gloversville and the town of Johnstown.
At a Johnstown Common Council meeting Monday night, the council approved only one parcel of the town of Johnstown's request to allow sewer connections for eight parcels near the proposed Walmart site.
Leslie Senglaub, an attorney for Walmart, said without the approval of the other parcels, the project cannot move forward. She said she would recommend Walmart officials abandon the project.
Hughes said he spoke with Walmart officials, who he said indicated Slingerland is holding up the project because she wants the city to receive revenue from some of the parcels near the project.
"She has indicated she would bury this project if she didn't get some revenue from those parcels by the Fulton County Federal Credit Union," Hughes said. "There is this attitude of, the toys are mine and you can't have them. It's crazy."
Hughes called Slingerland's actions "extortion" and said Slingerland had years of opportunities to bring up any grievances she had with the project. He added Slingerland was invited to take part in the revenue-sharing agreement between Gloversville and the town of Johnstown but chose not to.
"We all but begged her. She had her opportunity to get involved," he said. "It's not like this is something that came up at the last minute. They've had five or six years. [The city of Johnstown] may think they are set for now, but their turn is coming."
Hughes said he is arranging meetings with Walmart officials in an attempt to put the pieces of the project back together.
"All we can do is try," he said. "We're making an effort. We'll do everything we can possibly do to get these approvals."
In a news release, Slingerland said it is not the intention of Johnstown officials to block the project.
"It is our opinion approval for seven additional parcels is not necessary for the successful completion of the Walmart Supercenter," Slingerland wrote. "The city of Johnstown has been a willing partner [with Gloversville] and has cooperated in the past ... to provide sewer services outside [city of Johnstown] boundaries."
Slingerland said this morning that Hughes' allegation of extortion is "extremely inaccurate."
"I do not want [the revenue-sharing agreement] inserted into the discussion," she said. "I think that clouds the issue. This discussion about revenue sharing should be moved off the table so it does not cloud the issue and make it impossible to move the project forward."
Slingerland said despite Senglaub's assertion that the project cannot move forward without approval of all the parcels, she and other city officials disagree.
"It is the obligation of [this city] to ... protect the interest of [our] taxpayers," she said in a statement. "At the same time, we recognize the importance of supporting our sister city ... and participating in promoting beneficial regional growth. [The resolution the Common Council passed] strikes that balance."
Slingerland added she knows Senglaub attended a Fulton County Planning Board meeting Tuesday, the day after the Johnstown Common Council meeting.
"It appears that she is still engaged in moving the project forward," Slingerland said.
Hughes said the loss of the proposed Walmart Supercenter would be devastating for the city. A number of city officials agreed.
"It looks like this could end the city of Gloversville as it stands," said 6th Ward Councilman Ray Hindes. "This is hugely disappointing. I think [city of Johnstown officials] had their own intentions to screw this up for us. They haven't wanted to work with us for years. Why would they want to now?"
Second Ward Councilman John Castiglione agreed, but said he is still hopeful the project may be revived.
"I have felt that the city of Johnstown may have been a thorn in our side on this project," he said. "But I have not given up on this."
Mayor-elect Dayton King said he was very disappointed by the decision of the Johnstown Common Council and said the Walmart Supercenter is not just important for the city, but for the whole county.
"I'd like to sit down with [Slingerland] and work together for the best interest of the county," he said. "[Gloversville] will grow when all of us grow together. This shouldn't be a power struggle."
King said the decision by the Johnstown Common Council appears to be short-sighted. Instead of each municipality looking out for only itself, he said, working together is important for everyone's survival.
"We need to work better together," he said.
Kayleigh Karutis covers Gloversville news. She can be reached at gloversville@leaderherald.com.
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FireKatt
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11-20-09 9:36 AM
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I would like to see a Christmas Tree shop come in this area. Just for fun. I was hoping one would go in by Target but guess not. Ok so it wouldn't have a huge employment impact of the area but for those of us tired of the same old same old one of those CTS would be a breath of fresh air. They also sell cheap made in Taiwan/China/Phillipines/Swahili/Lower Silesia/Celebrity-owned-sweat-shops-for-cheap- labor as well only at even better bargain prices.
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Chris
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11-20-09 9:09 AM
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It would great if Kohls came to G'ville.... I just don't think that will happen at this moment.... although it would create a reason to come to G'ville hmmmmmm. I personally love that store! Price and quality is very good. I actually have to limit myself going to Kohls..... I go stupid crazy there :-) LOL
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JohnSteady
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11-20-09 8:39 AM
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The problem with super duper wally world is that you STILL have to shop other stores as they are not stocking everything like they did before. They always seem to be out of items for weeks or even months and some items are thier own and not a manufacturing issue. I for one would rather see a Kohls department store come to town then another giant version of the lame store on 5th ave. Taxes revenues are down in the town of johnstown...hmmm wally world is already in the town of johnstown. What magic mushrooms must we smoke to see how this will change if they moved into Gloversville? Cities and towns in California and other states have said NO to the bigger wally worlds. You are living in a dream world if you think Wally world will help Gloversville! A Tornado wouldn't help it would only be a small improvement. If they pulled the plug on this project, it's not Johnstowns fault. It's actually would be a blessing.
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Hilltopper
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11-20-09 6:59 AM
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It was posted here that Johnstown is a " proud successful community." Could you please elaborate on that, and tell us how its success has impacted the rest of the county in a positive way ?
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Joseph
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11-19-09 2:30 PM
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Wait, I think IBM wants to open a chip fab in Gloversville. No, it wouldn't be good for the local Mom and Pop Computer computer store on Main Street. We better vote no. People this all started years ago and when I say years ago I am talking when the Leather Mills took control of the area and polluted the entire county. Once regulator stepped in they all went belly up and there is NONTHING left except teh shell of two cities trying to survive. I wish you both the very best but the future is not bright and if you do not work togehter neither will survive.
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Joseph
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11-19-09 2:22 PM
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Wal*Mart would NOT shut down Hannaford or Price Chopper. Get your facts straight. Every where there is a wal*mart you see Hannaford and Price Chopper. Pretty soon Johnstown will die off and there will be no one left to back stab Gloversville. Your town is shrinking, you should be worried about that.
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Chris
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11-19-09 1:50 PM
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I undertand what you're trying to say. Other communities Wal-Marts have upgraded to the supercenter status.... how many Hannford or Price Choppers have you heard of closing? I guess I just don't see the problem(s) many of you do.
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stockqueen
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11-19-09 1:48 PM
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still waiting downtownmerchant!?!?!?!?!?
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questionsplease
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11-19-09 1:39 PM
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Chris, If Walmart came in, it would surely hurt if not shut down one of the other local grocers either Hanaford or PC. That would either get rid off or lower the amount of employees that work there. Both of them pay better and offer better benefits then walmart. When they talk about jobs, they aren't creating 100 new full time jobs. Yes, they will create 100 jobs but many of them will be parttime only a few hours a week. This would be great for high school or college kids, but it isn't enough for an adult to live on, they would then have to go and tap into the welfare system, just to make ends meet. When the other grocers offer enough pay and compensation to let their emplyees make ends meet.
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stockqueen
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11-19-09 11:55 AM
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downtownmerchant......instead of telling me to shut up....tell me when I can shop your store! I CAN'T BECAUSE I WORK FOR A LIVING!!!!
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Chris
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11-19-09 9:59 AM
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Question....You mentioned "Walmart creates what is called working poor." I have a question - in G'ville/J'town what "high" paying jobs are plentiful to the majority of the citizens here? Do you know of any new industry coming to the area? I do not.If you wanna drive 40 miles away you'll have better choices and higher salary employment (if qualified). Many people have been doing that for years. Unfortunately this county attracts more uneducated people who rely on full PA. Fact- Any jobs that come into this depressed area is a plus, I would rather have a person collecting full PA work part-time and get a smaller percentage of assistance.
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Discobulous
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11-19-09 9:32 AM
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Why would Johnstown want to consolidate with Gloversville? It would onkly drag Johnstown down economically, plus being a little embarassing. If the greatest industry showed up at Gloversville's doorstep and wanted to hire 5,000 people, they woulcn't find that many that have any skills or even want to work. The "we'll take anybody" welfare system is the true culprit.
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questionsplease
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11-19-09 9:20 AM
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"It looks like this could end the city of Gloversville as it stands," - This comment cracks me up. Are you serious? Walmart creates what is called working poor. Nothing good can come from the project. The aid that it would offer would only create a situation where more people would rely on aid. Walmart is not the answer for Gloversville. I am proud of Johnstown..Thanks for looking out for the best interests of everyone,Sarah.
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rachelrae33
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11-19-09 9:11 AM
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Continued to say our newly elected local officials should seriously consider the merger ideas again. Who knows maybe Fulton County could start a trend with it and be modern and upcoming for a change. I don't know about everyone else but I am tired of this wonderful area being seen as backwoods and *******.
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rachelrae33
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11-19-09 9:09 AM
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I'll agree with and vote for anyone(party not a factor) who is in favor of consolidation of governments. That's the key to solving the fiscal crisis not only in Fulton Co, but the whole state. Merging fire,police, dpw,schools, etc... is the way to go as many others here have stated. But will we do it. Speculator and Lake Pleasant refused. Year round residents are needed to work up there and can't afford to live there but the two towns still refused. There was talk a few years ago about consolidating the tax dept. at the county level to try and save on prop. taxes and still people refused. Instead our communities are going to depend on all powerful Walmart to save. THAT IS DISGRACEFUL
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Chris
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11-19-09 8:49 AM
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I hate to tell you ...but Johnstown is NO different than Gloversville. Both communities share the same misfortunes. These cities are in the foothills of the ADKS with not much happening anymore. With a decreasing population and very little industry to offer what do you expect? Let's just hope Taylor Made products NEVER pulls out. That would be a HUGE loss to both cities. These days... you need to welcome ANY new business that wants to set up shop.
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uzreason
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11-19-09 8:39 AM
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How DARE she look out for what's best for the people SHE represents...this is just one reason G'ville is a grease fire and J'town is a proud successful community. THANK YOU Sarah and Common Council!!!
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Adirondackal
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11-19-09 8:34 AM
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Funny how consolidation always screws the Gloversville tax payers. Watch the empty buses of the countywide transit system circle around to the tune of $250,000 a year for GLOVERSVILLE tax payers.
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MadDog
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11-19-09 8:03 AM
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I say again, Two bus garages, two police, two fire, two dpw, two school districts, and two administrations we need one of everything including one layer of government . Remember the big game is over OH!! but wait they still play each other in soccer,basketball, field hockey and many other sports. This mentality will kill this area. Folks get real if these so called LEADERS don't start leading we can all plan to pay and PAY BIG!!!! More and much more in the form of HIGHER TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!
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jsjmax
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11-19-09 7:54 AM
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excuse me, Hilary
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jsjmax
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11-19-09 7:53 AM
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Maybe Hilery Clinton had something when she said "GLOVERSTOWN" a few years ago!
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Hilltopper
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11-19-09 7:15 AM
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Johnstown is on its way to isolationism, as the rest of the county has had their fill of the " I, me, mine" antics, time and time again, by Slingerland and her supporting cast. The worm will turn, and one day she will be told to put on her Ben Franklin glasses, and go fly a kite. There is an old saying, "Don't dig a hole for someone because you might fall in it yourself."
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RubyRed
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11-18-09 11:56 PM
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The url didn't come out - try this: w****commondreams****/views/122000-102.htm
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Discobulous
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11-18-09 11:55 PM
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Good night all. My advice is, marry someone who is an only child of wealthy parents and you won't need to worry about what kind of nonsense goes on around here.
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RubyRed
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11-18-09 11:55 PM
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Unfortunately, you are incorrect - when the big-box stores like Walmart move on or up, they abandon their stores: "According to the National Trust for Historic Preservation, of the five billion square feet of retail space in the country, fully half a billion sits empty. That's 11,000 football fields worth of dead real estate, surrounded by thousands of acres of asphalt." More information about this at: ***********commondreams****/views/122000-102.htm
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