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Counties among highest taxed

By MIKE ZUMMO, The Leader-Herald
POSTED: June 21, 2009

When the town of Minden announced it was reassessing its property values, residents were concerned about the possibility of an increase in their taxes.

According to figures released by the Tax Foundation, those fears about taxes are justified as Montgomery County is tied for second in the country for homeowners paying the highest property taxes as a percentage of their entire home value from 2005 to 2007.

Montgomery County is tied with three other counties from New York for second place as the homeowners pay an average of 2.9 percent of their property value in property taxes. Orleans County, located west of Rochester, is the highest with homeowners paying an average of 3 percent of their property values.

Overall, 21 of the top 22 most heavily taxed property owners come from New York.

Fulton County is locked in a five-way tie for 14th place with property owners paying 2.5 percent of their property values in property taxes.

Hamilton County isn't on the list because of its low population. All other neighboring counties that share borders with Fulton and Montgomery counties have lower property tax burdens on their residents.

Schoharie county residents paid an average of 1.7 percent of their property values in taxes from 2005 to 2007, while Otsego and Saratoga county residents paid 1.4 percent. The closest to Fulton and Montgomery Counties was Schenectady County, which saw its residents pay 2.4 percent of their property values.

So why do Montgomery and Fulton County residents pay such a high amount of their property values in a taxes?

"The biggest thing is that 85 percent of the budget is state mandates that don't have any funding with them," said James Callery, the chairman of the Fulton County Board of Supervisors Finance Committee. "We've got quite a liberal state with the biggest Medicaid program in the country and unfortunately, too many people moved into New York state to get benefits that other states don't offer."

During the three years, the median home value in Montgomery County was $87,900, and the median property tax bill was $2,514. In Fulton County, the median home value was slightly less than that, $86,700, with Fulton County property owners paying a median of $2,145 in property taxes.

On the county level, Callery said Fulton County has lowered the tax rate, but school taxes, which also have a high number of unfunded mandates, continue to rise. Last year, Montgomery County passed a 2009 budget with a 2.9 percent tax decrease.

Montgomery County is ranked 71st in the country as residents pay 4.8 percent of their income in property taxes, while Fulton County is further down on the list with residents paying 4.6 percent of their income, with a rank of 104.

The two-county median 2007 income is well below the state average of $53,448, according to data released by the U.S. Census Bureau. Montgomery County residents made a median household income of $41,869 and Fulton County's median household income was $40,259.

With so many New York counties near the top of the tax foundation's list, it's also a state issue. A report released by the New York State Commission on Property Tax Relief said the state has the highest local taxes in the country, 78 percent above the national average. The report also said high property taxes have the most negative impact on low and moderate income working families, senior citizens on fixed incomes and small-business owners, who shoulder the burden regardless of their ability to pay.

According to census data, estimates place Montgomery County with 17.3 percent of the population made up of people 65 and older, more than four percentage points above the state average. Fulton County has 15.5 percent of its population made up of senior citizens.

"With the baby boomers having to live in Fulton County, they receive a lot more benefits," Callery said. "That's great, but we have to find away to get industry to bring in the younger people and build homes."

In 2007, nearly 16 percent of the Fulton County population was below the poverty level. About 13.8 percent of people in the state live below the poverty level. Montgomery County was below the state percentage at 11 percent.

The next highest is New Jersey, but the neighboring state's residents only pay 18 percent above the national average in property taxes.

"It's not typical to New York alone, but certainly the Northeast has an overabundance of government," Chairman of the Montgomery County Board of Supervisors Finance Committee William Strevy said. "We're over-governmentalized and under-capitalized as far as I'm concerned. I would like to see government get smaller, but I am of a minority."

The report also said the property tax rates are highest in upstate New York due to low property values and a declining population.

In Montgomery County, only the town of Minden has been assessed at full-market value. Gloversville and the town of Bleecker are at full-market value in Fulton County. All the rest have equalization rates below 100 percent, which means that most municipalities in the two-county area are not being assessed at full-market value.

"We need to keep up the equalization rates, and that's why the city of Johnstown is going to reval," Callery said. "If everybody is paying 100 percent, it's lower for everybody."

Callery said he believes New York should do what California does for property value assessments.

"It's the only thing they do right," Callery said. "What you pay for the property is what you're assessed at."

A declining population has plagued Montgomery County over the past eight years. According to figures released by the U.S. Census Bureau, 48,679 people are estimated to live in Montgomery County, a 2.1 percent drop from 49,708 in 2000.

"It certainly doesn't help," Strevy said. "Some of the towns are picking up population, while overall the county is declining."

They're not going to Fulton County, which has held steady, losing only 0.1 percent of its population over an eight-year span.

However, Strevy said he read a report that the population numbers in Montgomery County are starting to swing in the other direction.

"I hope that's the case," he said. "Until the housing bust, we thought there were much better days ahead and things were moving ahead quite swiftly. Better days will come, but unfortunately it's going to take some time to heal."

Mike Zummo covers Montgomery County news. He can be reached by e-mail at montco@leaderherald.com.

 
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KALZ16
06-22-09 11:31 AM
TAXES? you can't tell, with how Gloversville looks, roads are junk, the city never picks anything up! Why do we pay taxes? Who's salary needs to be cut for anything to get done around here!!!

Discobulous
06-22-09 10:43 AM
We are already a 3rd world country supporting the other 2 3rds.

GoGreen
06-22-09 7:53 AM
If we are not careful we WILL become a third world country.

TiredOfTax
06-22-09 7:33 AM
If we are not careful, this WILL be us soon.

California's historic budget crisis threatens to devastate a public education system that was once considered a national model but now ranks near the bottom in school funding and academic achievement.

Deep budget cuts are forcing California school districts to lay off thousands of teachers, expand class sizes, close schools, eliminate bus service, cancel summer school programs, and possibly shorten the academic year.

GoGreen
06-21-09 9:14 PM
and now our school taxes are going up.

stratford
06-21-09 9:08 PM
Everyone is over-assessed sure a few people with gop deregulated loans paid a fortune for houses, but they never will be able to pay them off. It ruined the whole system. Fulton county is headed for a big time bust.

GoGreen
06-21-09 8:19 PM
I'm all messed up here - Adirondack - I ment Supplemental Security Income (SSI) but what that turns into when a child reaches the age of 18 years I'm not sure - probably what you said they enter the "adult system" I wonder if a parent has to include their child's SSI benefits when applying for additional assistance ie: food stamps, medicaid etc. Do you know?

GoGreen
06-21-09 8:07 PM
not employment - I ment non-medical qualifications (which is determined based on your work history)

GoGreen
06-21-09 8:05 PM
Adirondack - I believe you are referring to SSI (Social Security Insurance). Children aren't eligible for SSD - they don't meet the empoyment qualifications when determinng eligibility. You are right though SSI is on the rise.

GoGreen
06-21-09 8:01 PM
VABOYE - you have a point but you are talking about two separate problems here. Illegals and Medicaid/Public Assistance. The illegals are exactly that - illegals and they do not belong here and we should not have to take care of them. There are plenty of Americans out of work - don't give the jobs to the illegals when there are millions of American needing jobs. "They" just want them in here so they can vote - and who are they going to vote for - the ones that kept them here, feed them and provided them with healthcare.Public assistance should be in loan form. Three years limit then off to work with 10% of your pay to pay back into the system for the next round.

Adirondackal
06-21-09 7:12 PM
The geniuses who run this place thought it was so great to get people off welfare by putting their kids on Social Security Disability,that way any family with two children or more got more CASH than they did "on the county." Brilliant. Now that those kids are grown up they are getting MEDICAID out the wazoo and the 25% share that county taxpayers are kicking in for this fine liberal program completely exceeds our 50% share for the old welfare.

VABOYE
06-21-09 7:00 PM
THE PROBLEM IS IN PARAGRAPH NINE. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS MEDICAID!FULTON COUNTY IS THE HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY!!!THAT IS REALLY SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. WHO WANTS TO COME HERE TO SEE PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND WITH NO TEETH AND WHITE TRASH ON THE STREET WITH THEIR 10 KIDS? SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT THE ILLEGALS BUT AT LEAST THEY ARE WILLING TOWORK UNLIKE OUR OWN WHITE TRASH.

GoGreen
06-21-09 6:55 PM
resident69 - the country is getting "a little out of hand" think about it - giving illegals health benefits? Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture. They don't belong here but what the H*LL lets raise the taxes of those that do belong here to take care of them.I think we should provide housing for them, give them vehicles and hey they will probably need to have gun permits to carry guns (they probably already have the guns) If they need a gun they can give them the ones they want to take awary from all of those with permits - Sounds a little crazy but the way things are going - it wouldn't surprise me.

resident69
06-21-09 3:51 PM
oh yeah happy Fathers Day, now get back to work! Millions of illegals are depending on you.

resident69
06-21-09 3:50 PM
Our politicians motto is "For ourselves, by Ourselves!" Gloversville council is living proof of that...look at the money they have wasted in the last four years. King timmy wants to waste even more by trying to get back in for another 4 years...Henry the VIII was better than Timmy.

resident69
06-21-09 3:47 PM
You forget we have to support NYC subways, and how much taxpayers money built the new Met's and Yankee Stadiums? We know the owners didn't pay for them. I say let's bail out Six Flags and have them build a park in what use to be Gloversville, we already have a ghost town! Stop Re-electing the "Professional" politician. If they haven't sold the country to China and ever other foreign country. Put we can rest easy at night since Scott Murphy got elected in Gillabrants old job. He created jobs...okay they were in India and force even more tech people out of work here. But, he knows how to create jobs, just doesn't know it was suppose to be here.

resident69
06-21-09 3:32 PM
Healthcare for Illegals, we can't give our troops better equipment, they don't get the greatest of healthcare for defending this country but Washington is still worried for the illegals..round them all up and fly them back home! They can take their little dog and "Run for the Border!"

resident69
06-21-09 3:28 PM
Gee why didn't someone think of this sooner??? "That's great, but we have to find away to get industry to bring in the younger people and build homes." NO Kidding, someone just woke up from their nap with a bright idea 20 years too late.

GoGreen
06-21-09 1:33 PM
ireadit..I hear you about the National Healthcare - I really don't see much good coming out of it. The amount our taxes will increase to fund the plan will probably be far more than what we currently contriubute now to our health plans. Not to mention the fact that "they" will have so much control over our health care. I had a family member oversees with national health care - I can tell you some horror stories. People think insurance is so picky and difficult now - getting your insurance plan to approve a needed procedure, test, exam what have you - we will all be waiting 6 months for a simple MRI. We will all soon be under "their" thumb like puppets. Do I smell dictatorship?

GoGreen
06-21-09 12:02 PM
Yes - and give raises to foodstamp recipients and create 500 plus jobs that give children of parents on PA jobs for the summer. The rest of us can just going to work everyday and pay pay pay.

Scarecrow57
06-21-09 11:51 AM
Imagine that!!! I sya our town boards, and county need to spend more. And hey while we are at it - Lets give all the teachers a huge raise too

Discobulous
06-21-09 10:26 AM
This is a taxing situation but at least we have something that makes us special and puts us close to first place for once. But let's face it, the only thing Fulton County has to offer young people today is hook-ups at closing time.

TiredOfTax
06-21-09 9:09 AM
Hey I am looking for a house, and look into the information here, do I move to Gloversville/ Fulton county? Or I run a business and want to relocate, why on earth would I be willing to pay more for what I want? Taxes in NY are outrageous! There comes a time when you cannot simply raise the assessments to get more of the hard earned dollars from the people that own property. There has to come a time when we get fed up with the over taxation without representation, sound familiar? Can you say TEA PARTY? I think that they are on to something there. And the leader continues to bring us this news, although bad it is here to read. Proof that there is still a bit of freedom left in our country.

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