City considered immediate blight tickets
By KAYLEIGH KARUTIS, The Leader-HeraldArticle Photos
GLOVERSVILLE - The city is considering a policy of allowing fire department officials to immediately ticket blight offenders in the city.
The Common Council discussed the policy at a work session Tuesday.
The proposed policy, which was created by a number of local activists, including Richard Ottalagano and former councilman Lance Gundersen, gives officers the right to issue citations for "any and all violations of the city code dealing with the maintenance of real property."
The offender would then have seven days to abate the problem. If the abatement is not satisfactory, more fines may be imposed, according to the proposed policy.
Fines will amount to $50 per violation for a first offense and $1,000 per property if the owner fails to perform the actions necessary to abate the violation.
Gundersen said the policy would give officers more power to compel homeowners to change.
"The whole process needs to be strengthened," he said.
He said currently officers are very backed up in checking on offenses because of the amount of time it takes to issue a ticket.
The offender must then be given many days to fix the problem, which they often do not do.
The new policy has more "teeth," he said.
"They still have outstanding reports for snow removal," he said.
Ottalagano said the policy would create a revenue stream for the city because it would give officers the ability to write a ticket on the spot when they see code violations.
He said many people who commit code violations have no excuse for not abating the problem.
"If they own a home, they are an adult," he said. "They know the rules. There's no excuse for these people not to have their walk shoveled."
He acknowledged some people may have extenuating circumstances, such as a sickness or disability, that prevents them from abating problems, but said most people simply fail to comply.
Sixth Ward Councilman Ray Hindes said he thinks it is a pity the city must legislate what citizens should do automatically as responsible home owners.
He said, though, that he believes the new system is an improvement that should be considered.
The council opted to further discuss the policy at its next meeting.
Kayleigh Karutis covers Gloversville news. She can be reached at gloversville@leaderherald.com.
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frmrgvillian
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05-20-09 12:39 AM
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from an outsider perspective ... the city leaders decisions seem very gestapo ... just a thought
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xsubsquid
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05-19-09 12:14 PM
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That THE ambulance...
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xsubsquid
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05-19-09 12:14 PM
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That he ambulance service is understaffed has been witnessed first hand by me so I know it to be true. As for whether or not the city should take care of its own properties, you'll get no argument from me! I still don't think that's an excuse for allowing the standards to drop.
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resident69
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05-19-09 11:49 AM
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hey squid, The reason the FD goes on those calls is because the ambulance service is understaffed. Often one person is in an ambulance and cannot handle a stretcher. This is funny as they deny they are understaffed and that the firefighters "were" suppose to keep up their training. If the service is understaff then they can't continue to cover the county as well. Also the city should lead by example, they have more than enough equipment to remove the snow around the DPW garage. Kids walking to school has to walk in the street around it.
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xsubsquid
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05-18-09 8:53 PM
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If you own property in Gloversville and live outside Fulton County (the furthest extent of legal jurisdiction, then you currently must have a local agent, yes. That way, as has happenes very many times in the past, the city doesn't have to deal with the grueling and cumbersome logistics of trying to serve someone 100 police and political jurisdictions away. It can take years, and often as not is entirely unsuccessful.
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dogman12
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05-18-09 7:31 PM
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if you own property in g-ville and you live out of town - you have to have a local care taker of the home ?
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xsubsquid
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05-18-09 6:27 PM
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...stretcher.
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xsubsquid
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05-18-09 6:27 PM
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Resident69, a few of the things you've mentioned underscore your obvious frustration, but I have to disagree with you on some points. First, the city not taking care of its property is not an excuse to allow others to fail to take care of theirs. We shouldn't be agreeing to lower standards further just because the prime standard enforcer is failing to do so. Second, abatements are not done by union labor in Gloversville. It is one non union individual and whoever the court happens to have available doing community service. The union should not factor into any change that may be considered in the future on this subject. Third, your Fire Department info is about 3 years out of date. For at least 3 years, the FD has received insurance reimbursement for so-called "ambulance chaser" calls making them somewhat revenue neutral. The reason the FD goes on those calls is because the ambulance service is understaffed. Often one person is in an ambulance and cannot handle a str
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resident69
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05-18-09 2:57 PM
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"They still have outstanding reports for snow removal," he said. Too funny, it's almost June do you think they removed the SNOW? Maybe if they stopped chasing the ambulance on almost every call they could get some work done. They don't have to go on all calls with the ambulance. Do residents get a discount from ASFC when the fire department assists? Tax dollars are paying for the firefighters!
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resident69
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05-18-09 2:52 PM
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gloverny the unions would never allow you to use the riff raff to do a job that a union member could do. You have said things so many before you have said. Why can those that burden the taxpayers by staying at the county jail be made to do some hard labor. Maybe it won't be a laughing matter when the get arrested again. About a month ago I was in the town courthouse with a friend and it seemed like a family reunion when the counties finest was escorted into court. Shut the TV's off and get them on a few chain gangs!
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resident69
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05-18-09 2:43 PM
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"If they own a home, they are an adult," he said. "They know the rules. There's no excuse for these people not to have their walk shoveled." WHAT A LOAD OF POO! The city doesn't shovel the snow around the DPW garage! What about the South Main Street golf course that doesn't remove the snow from their sidewalk for YEARS!!!Maybe thay poor guy wouldn't be dead from the hit and run if he could have used the side walk.
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tweety1962
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05-18-09 2:16 PM
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hey stackrat the tags are on the vehicle if they were to come by now and came into the yard before doing what they did they would have seen them instead of trying to see from the street in their firetruck
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Stackrat
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05-18-09 10:03 AM
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If your car is registered, where are the tags?.
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xsubsquid
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05-18-09 1:06 AM
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AdirondackAl, it appears we are at a point of agreeing to disagree again. Per the City Charter, all finance is the responsibility of the Common Council, not the Mayor. No new debt can be created, or old debt refinanced, without approval of that body. While I applaud Mayor LaPorta's willingness to make the hard choices to turn this monster around, it was two years into his term before he had a council (the 2004-2007 council) willing to make the hard decisions which eliminated $1.6 million in general fund deficit and created a $1.8 million fund balance (surplus) by December 2007, two years into Mayor Hughes term. As for the comment on long term employees, it should be pointed out that the current Finance Commissioner is the third to hold that position in 6 years, and was hired by Mayor LaPorta. Yes, his assistant was hired under Tim Hughes. All other Finance employees, other than the Deputy Finance Commissioner, are civil service and have predated both mayors.
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xsubsquid
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05-18-09 12:48 AM
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As a follow up to my previous post, it should be pointed out that currently fines are not levied until the violation reaches the adjudication process. That assumes that a fine is levied at all. The new process would allow fines to be levied immediately, would take the vagaries of court opinion out of the process (while retaining the right of appeal on the part of the homeowner) and would establish a third party provider system for abatements, rather than the current system which misses roughly 1/3 of abatements issued by the Fire Department. Perhaps having an idea of the scope of the problem would help. The FD averages over 1000 violations/year. In 2008, at least 1200 violations for blight were issued. Of those, 90 called for abatement. Of the 90, only 60 were completed.
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xsubsquid
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05-18-09 12:32 AM
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James D, I'd like to respond to your statements and questions: As one of the authors of the suggested legislation, I'm not in favor of using it as a revenue stream. Fines should not be used to dig G-ville out of debt. In my opinion, the only reason for the proposal is to strengthen the Fire Dept's ability to combat blight. The delays are caused by the process. One blight violation takes a single firefighter roughly 6 hours to process. Then there is a re-inspection period a week later requiring almost as much time. Next, the process heads to DPW for abatement and the courts for adjudication. Abatements are conducted by one employee using people sentenced to community service, when available. The court has its own process which can be hampered when temp judges allow repeat offenders to continue to provide numerous extensions. One file I've seen is 4” thick and nearly 3 yrs old for one violation.
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tweety1962
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05-17-09 11:34 PM
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i am a homeowner in gloversville i received a letter in the mail saying that i had an unregistered vehicle in my driveway little does the city know i have proof of that vehicle being registered and insured my boyfriend went to the firedepartment to take care of the problem he was told the person wasnt in that day when he went over there said he would be around my home on saturday and i still havent seen anything of him i really would like to get this taken care of and show this proof for this vehicle being registered and insured so i guess i will have to go back over to the fire department again to do that because the front license plate was off they must have assumed that it was unregistered before checking with the homeowner and sending me one of those letters in the mail to have the problem taken care of in so many days
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Discobulous
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05-17-09 10:57 PM
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All these tickets....I think violators should be sentenced to help refurbish the Glove Theater. Most of these hang dog properties are owned by out of town land lords....who ya gonna ticket?
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dogman12
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05-17-09 9:11 PM
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If I sign a complaint the fire dept inspects property and sends owner a warning . I guess they have 7 days to fix, then fire dept goes back and inspects again and if its not fixed they get a ticket . How much better is the new way ? They get the ticket and have 7 days to fix, then fire dept goes back and inspects property takes pictures and goes to court . Almost the same work ? I know a man who bought alot of homes off the City and he left the city after paying for a rat hole that the city owned and before the ink was dry he got a ticket for long grass !! I was there and saw it ! He didn't own it for more than 30 minutes and Tom Renda served a sitation- this happened for years! he must have made someone in the city mad . Funny thing is , is he fixes the housess up for resale and got herassed .
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JamesD
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05-17-09 7:26 PM
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"Ottalagano said the policy would create a revenue stream for the city because it would give officers the ability to write a ticket on the spot when they see code violations." I cringe every time I see that someone in law enforcement has been empowered to "create a revenue stream". That's not what law enforcement should be about. What causes the current delays in issuing tickets? That's an important piece of information that's been left out of the article. I'd like to know if the delays are a result of bureaucratic red tape or some necessary component of fair law enforcement. Also, how much time makes up the "many days" homeowners are currently given to address a blight problem? Hard to know if homeowners are given too much time to fix their problems when there's no information provided about how much time they're allotted.
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Adirondackal
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05-17-09 3:25 PM
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The reason that Gloversville is buried in long term debt is because that's where Mayor Hughes put the short term debt so as to keep it off the balance sheet. Frank LaPorta inherited a disaster from Seroussi and in four years cut our liabilities in half. Hughes,Inc chose to take the easy road and grabbed the charge card. I agree with what you said about the DPW being short staffed and having old equipment. That cannot be said of the city finance office, the mayor's office or other locations where long term employees are camped out at their desks for life. And since they are all buddies with the mayor's pals, that's where they will be. The blame is where it belongs xsub- you signed on the Titanic my friend. The biggest blight in our city sits behind the desk (occasionally when he feels like showing up) of your mayor.
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sainshooter
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05-17-09 3:07 PM
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Level Gloversville and make more parking.....
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PaulBunyun
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05-17-09 2:43 PM
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Before we choose to put even more pressure on those in our towns and cities to comply with what Mr. Ottalagano and others like him consider blight perhaps we should first consider the old addage "One mans junk is another mans treasure" remember it was not so long ago that a certain driveway on Lee avenue had its share of "Blight"
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xsubsquid
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05-17-09 2:43 PM
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TiredofTax writes, "Our city employees can do a bit to help, they do have better equipment and fewer services to perform with the same number of employees as when we actually had services." I'm sorry, but this statement is inaccurate. The DPW of today is roughly half the size of just 20 years ago. Their equipment is geriatric, and there has been little reduction in their mission - basically, doing more with less. To AdirondackAl, with respect, long term debt is the reason Gloversville doesn't have money for services. That debt has been around a long time and is slowly being whittled away. However, it took decades to make it, and will require a while to eliminate it. It is, in my opinion, rather partisan to label this "Timmy's" problem, or the individual problem of any previous mayor or council. What I want to know is why, if Obama is throwing around zillions of dollars, small city's can't simply get absolved of a few million in debt. It's pocket change to
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TiredOfTax
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05-17-09 11:30 AM
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Why not start to charge the city for the debris left on curbs for months, they used to pick up garbage twice a week and grass and yard debris every week. We pay taxes, higher than ever and services are at a minimum. People should have pride in their yards, I keep mine as nice as I can but others cannot afford to repair stuff and due to the rising taxes I understand why. So fire person, when you see someone with a problem crush them with a fine and when they cant pay the fine or repair the problem throw their vagrant butts in jail and foreclose on their property. Or help your neighbors in need, try to help those you can and clean up the city. Our city employees can do a bit to help, they do have better equipment and fewer services to perform with the same number of employees as when we actually had services.
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