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Teachers say 'we're not the bad guys'

GTA?president says union hopes jobs can be saved

By KAYLEIGH KARUTIS, The Leader-Herald
POSTED: April 25, 2009

GLOVERSVILLE - The president of the Gloversville Teachers Association said Friday teachers are concerned about job cuts, and the union hopes the Gloversville Enlarged School District Board of Education will be open to "creative solutions" to help save jobs.

The Board of Education this week passed a $50.7 million budget that officials said will eliminate 34 full-time teacher jobs and 16 non-instructional positions.

GTA President Pat Donovan said the cuts actually affect 38 full-time teachers, six of whom were temporary or substitute teachers. Four of the teachers laid off have tenure, and seven were to receive tenure over the summer, she said. One was very close to retirement, she said.

"We feel it's important [for the public] to know," she said.

Donovan said she thinks media reports have cast the union in a bad light, and despite not wanting to discuss contract negotiations, the teachers felt it was important to "set the record straight."

"We are not the bad guys," she said. "We pay those school taxes."

Donovan said assertions by district officials that the teachers refused to switch to a different health insurance plan, thus forcing the district to lay off teachers, is inaccurate.

All district employees, including members of the GTA, were told by district officials weeks ago that massive staff cuts could be partially avoided if the district's approximately 600 employees agreed to switch health insurance plans, Superintendent Robert DeLilli has said.

The teachers' contract expires at the end of the school year. About half of the district's employees are teachers, but all others, including aides, food service staff and building and grounds staff, also are unionized.

Donovan said district officials' attitude regarding the switch was, "take it or leave it."

"To say [the health insurance switch] is this little change [from the existing plan] is far from the truth," she said.

The plan proposed would have severely cut the teachers' benefits and would have harmed many of the teachers, she said.

"It might have been fine for young people who don't take any medicine or go to the doctor," she said. "It would have tremendously harmed other people. It would have not only eaten up any potential raise, it would have dug deep into the salaries [teachers] make already."

DeLilli said district officials never intended for the health insurance switch to seem like an ultimatum.

"It was just an idea. We faced a multimillion-dollar shortfall, and one idea was to, in one districtwide sweep, take care of it by folks switching to a different health plan," he said. "We said, 'this is our problem, and this is an idea to solve it.'"

Most district employees declined to switch, DeLilli said.

Last year, teachers agreed to pay 4 percent more for health insurance, DeLilli said, a change that saved the district money.

DeLilli acknowledged Gloversville teachers pay more than some other districts' teachers for health insurance, but other districts will be forced to increase teacher contributions in the near future.

"There are other schools that will move to that as soon as they can," he said. "Health insurance is bankrupting school districts."

Donovan said the district's teachers often go above and beyond their job duties and have various events throughout the year to give back to the community, including a Rail Trail cleanup, food drives, clothing giveaways and free gift-wrapping over the holidays.

Donovan said she hopes the Board of Education is receptive to ideas the GTA has to cut costs and avoid large-scale layoffs. She declined to name any specific ideas, saying it would be improper given that contract negotiations are still under way.

Kayleigh Karutis covers Gloversville news. She can be reached by e-mail at gloversville@leaderherald.com.

 
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ataxpayer
04-27-09 7:28 PM
I don't know how the teachers that survived the "pink slips" are not overcomed with guilt - not only for their fellow workers but for the children they teach - they are losing programs and will have their class sizes increased. I'm sure some teachers will be unhappy about that and feel they are overworked. But that is this year - the way things are going I'm sure there will be another round of "pink slips" to be handed out.

ataxpayer
04-27-09 7:22 PM
I don't know how the teachers that survived the "pink slips" are not overcomed with guilt - not only for their fellow workers but for the children they teach - they are losing programs and will have their class sizes increased. I'm sure some teachers will be unhappy about that and feel they are overworked. But that is this year - the way things are going I'm sure there will be another round of "pink slips" to be handed out.

ohmygod
04-26-09 12:33 AM
I can't imagine how those employees who received "pink slips" feel about their peers who placed self-interest above sacrifice. Don't blame "the union", since the membership IS the union. And where is it written that higher wages and/or enhanced fringe benefits necessarily result in better teachers? I've read each and every lame excuse put forth here advocating the status quo...and they're all so shamelessly bogus. The times they are a changin' and we ALL need to make some hard choices. Ask not what your school district can do for you...etc, etc, etc.

Discobulous
04-25-09 10:44 PM
A teacher is a 'happy teacher' when they have the one thing they need most: responsible administrators to work with, not the current crop of administrator/politicians after the buck and protecting their own pensions. I have 2 cousins who quit teaching at 55 even though they started out very motivated, because they believed they no longer had any trustworthy administrative back up, their schools became riddled with internal politics and they just lost the spirit for it.

RC883C
04-25-09 10:06 PM
armyvet your 100% wrong about all the good teachers being gone. I know many great teachers that do what they do for the love of the kids. There are a lot of teachers that I feel are doing the job for the wrong reasons, but to say they all are is way off the mark and does a disservice to the good ones that are still left. That's like saying all parents are bad or all vets are for that matter.

ataxpayer
04-25-09 9:48 PM
Sorry that you have to battle the VA - here stories like this all the time. Now these are the people that should have the excellent health coverage for life - our vets.

armyvet
04-25-09 9:38 PM
as for building and grounds union people, i will come shovel, cut the grass and clean puke for half of their wage, probaly still be around 15 an hour for the top guys, and take the different health plan. they all say they want to bring home more money, well that little spot on the paycheck that says union dues. well keep it and dont give it to people who dont work but come out with we are not the bad guys. you are and you dont work either.

armyvet
04-25-09 9:24 PM
for example, had the best shop teacher in the area years ago. went on and worked for myself. when times slowed in the early 90's, went in the army for ten years. the doctors wrote a bullet statement on my clearing paperwork that said %80 hearing loss BUT HE WILL BE OK. lost hearing from 4 warzones and got out 2001 before 911. i have been battling the VA for help since then and still i get nothing. well, i am back to working for myself doing woodwork because the people i spent protecting give me a hug and say thank you and do a reach around to my wallet for more money. f them

armyvet
04-25-09 9:13 PM
most schools in the area dont have shop class any more. rooms full of tools collecting dust. they say the insurance is to high. get rid of a couple of teaching aides or eliminate the once a month superintendants days. you know when all the teachers get another payed day off. that will cover bringing the trades insurance.

ataxpayer
04-25-09 9:11 PM
laker - 100% correct! The state mandates forced on those students are actually holding them back and in a sense "robbing" them of achieving more from their HS years. What would this world be with out plumbers, carpenters etc.

armyvet
04-25-09 9:09 PM
nationalized health care has been here. no one ever gets turned away from an er. all the freelodaing scum fulton county will have their own parking at nathan littauer. as for capitalism, its not that ruining the schools, it the greedy bassexcrimants unions having the schools force feed this crap down our throats. all for the kids. hell, you cant tell what they write anymore. watchthem make change at mcd's. its pretty funny. next year they will say another 6 percent hike is better than ten. ITS STILL A TAX INCREASE!!!! and no bang for the buck

laker88
04-25-09 9:01 PM
and you also make a good point taxpayer that people who learn a trade are extremely important members of society..our vocational schools offer some excellent programs..heating, plumbing, carpentry, auto mechanics etc. Give these students who are so mechanically inclined more hands-on courses, they should be encouraged to follow their interests...rather than having to waste their time taking a class which will be of no future value to them.

ataxpayer
04-25-09 8:56 PM
armyvet - I have much gratitude for vets. Thank you.

renuzit
04-25-09 8:50 PM
No,No,No. Our capitalistic view on education must stop...it is making us broke! All the benefits are escalating and they can't go down.

ataxpayer
04-25-09 8:50 PM
oops 42 cents

ataxpayer
04-25-09 8:50 PM
...and remember those 43 cent stamps are going up May 11th.

renuzit
04-25-09 8:48 PM
How bad do you want health care in your contract? They are the capatiolist that take your job away! I am al for national health care

armyvet
04-25-09 8:48 PM
and to those who think i am talking bs, i was a teacher, 10 year army disabled vet, and worked in DC for 5 years. unless you want to all be sheeple, band together and fix it., local, county, state, and fed. we are all headed down the hershey highway to obomunism as we speak. send all the letters you want, they will all end up in the hopper and the 42 cents you spent will help buy obama another $100 imported steak or a gift for the castros, chavez and all his new pals.

ataxpayer
04-25-09 8:43 PM
Laker - Have to agree with you on that one. Not all high school students are college material, and many do not even plan on going to college after graduation. That is their decision, for what ever they decide to become they are needed in society. Be it trade school or what have you, there are many occupations that do not require college degrees yet are very crucial in our society. So, yes, why all these state mandates that ALL HS students must take regents curriculum. Good point.

armyvet
04-25-09 8:42 PM
all the good teachers are gone! the ones who did the job because they loved it, not the ones who say union this, free that, full coverage, blah blah blah. if you dont like the union heads, vote them out. doesnt matter what anyone says on here about the school budget or taxes. the great gov paterson is raising state income tax another %10. we are all intercoursed.

Apollo2000
04-25-09 8:41 PM
Here are my suggestions: 1) Teachers, take back your union. If enough of you get together and stand together, you can do it! 2) Dump the Ferrari plan and take the PPO. Have the health insurance that most of those who pay your salaries and benefits have. 3) Since the individual citizen has little voice in Albany, have NYSUT, the NYS School Boards Association, and the Superintendents lobbying entity lobby for a change in the way education is funded. Get it off the property tax! Up until recently anyway, NYSUT has fought against funding reform.

laker88
04-25-09 8:36 PM
chance....it will not get better until the state slashes their mandates.... it will not get better until the state ed leaders realize that not all students are college bound, and must follow a regents diploma curriculum...and it will not get better until education funding is revamped. How can you "expect nothing but greatness" when academics in our schools have to compete with so many extra curricular activities?? And people actually think that unions are the root of the problem, I guess that's easier than looking at the real issues that need to be addressed.

IndyJones
04-25-09 8:30 PM
Remember the Alamo!!! This year 38 teachers, next year ???????. Mismanagement began with Dan Connor, who spent, spent and spent. Keep in mind the bond issues and the famous bus garage. They jammed it down the taxpayers throats. Blowers left without a trace and couldn't even project the costs or the savings of the bus garage. The budget should be voted down out of frustration. Don't give the BOE a free pass on this one!

ChanceOfSun
04-25-09 8:12 PM
Misinterpeted what I meant. let's say average=not union heavey. Sorry about that, hopefully that clarifies my statement. And you are*****right- You should expect nothing but greatness and always getting better.

ataxpayer
04-25-09 8:05 PM
chance - in your post you said "the average worker just goes along wit it". Well with Masters degrees I expect more than "an average" worker. Our children deserve more than "average workers" teaching them.

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