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Pope should visit shrine

July 17, 2014

Pope Francis should take a look next year at a local site closely connected to four saints....

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drugsrus

Jul-19-14 12:02 AM

what did I miss here????? a discussion of the Pope visiting the local Indian shrines turned into birth control??

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Hilltopper

Jul-18-14 8:14 PM

Pope Paul VI in his 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae offered the following condemnation of contraception: "Therefore We base Our words on the first principles of a human and Christian doctrine of marriage when We are obliged once more to declare that the direct interruption of the generative process already begun and, above all, all direct abortion, even for therapeutic reasons, are to be absolutely excluded as lawful means of regulating the number of children. Equally to be condemned, as the magisterium of the Church has affirmed on many occasions, is direct sterilization, whether of the man or of the woman, whether permanent or temporary. Similarly excluded is any action which either before, at the moment of, or after sexual intercourse, is specifically intended to prevent procreation—whether as an end or as a means."

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Hilltopper

Jul-18-14 8:07 PM

BoB: Now we can pick and choose what rules we follow? "Anyhow, a quick note on the contraception issue...many Catholics, including me, have no objection or a 'faith' problem with contraception or pre-conception measures,". Catholic doctrine is that the only form of birth control permitted is abstinence. That is a good rule for all you people of "faith" to follow."Like I said before, if men could get pregnant everyone would have unlimited acess to birth control in this country.

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drugsrus

Jul-18-14 3:01 PM

BF1 -- here is a hint -- First Amendment -- by forcing a company to adhere to a law that violates the owners freedom to practice their religious beliefs is a violation of the 1st Amendment - end of discussion.

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BlackFrancis1

Jul-18-14 1:41 PM

I agree 100% - the government should not be in the morals or religious business. However the court put themselves squarely in the middle of what is a religious issue. To claim that providing comprehensive healthcare coverage is somehow a violation of a corporation's religious freedom borders on absurdity. And the idea that a corporation can claim religious freedom, and be granted such, crosses that border into crazytown.

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TiredOfTax

Jul-18-14 1:25 PM

If a company does something that you do not agree with, do not do business with that company. Government is not in the moral or religious business and should not try to control anyones morals or religion. If you own the company you earned the RIGHT to run it as you wish, you as a consumer make your choice, really very simple.

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BlackFrancis1

Jul-18-14 11:51 AM

I'm a liberal and I get that part. It's wrong, but I get it. The constitution affords you the right to practice your faith. If you don't want to use a certain contraceptive, then don't. It doesn't afford you the right to affect another person's access to contraceptives. And don't give me the line that if a woman wants a certain type, she can always buy it herself. That's not the point. If a company wants to do business in our diverse, multicultural, multifaith society and wants to accept those associated dollars, it has no business claiming some spurious faith-based exception to the healthcare mandate. The majority of the Supreme Court are wrong on this issue.

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MrBoB51

Jul-18-14 10:43 AM

Yes, a Papal visit would be nice. Who pays for it is a spurious argument, Moochelle Obama's vacations cost much more. Anyhow, a quick note on the contraception issue...many Catholics, including me, have no objection or a 'faith' problem with contraception or pre-conception measures, neither did Hobby Lobby. It's the post-conception measures we object to and that affirmation of our faith is what was upheld, as it should have been according to our Constitution. Libs don't get that part.

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drugsrus

Jul-17-14 8:52 PM

I'm not really sure that the Pope will agree with that same sex marriage thing either.

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TiredOfTax

Jul-17-14 8:39 PM

So what do you believe the LIBERAL POPE believes about birth control? As I used in my example below! The argument over the Supreme Court's ruling allowing companies with religious objections to avoid supplying contraceptives. People can be liberal on some things and very conservative on other things. Except maybe you?

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Hilltopper

Jul-17-14 2:59 PM

TOT: The pope is a liberal. That's why the world loves him.

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TiredOfTax

Jul-17-14 2:01 PM

The money that would be raised by a visit would vastly be overwhelmed by the costs of his visit. Basicly a redistribution of money, not unlike what the leftists want. But if the debate over religion is any indication the left is godless and does not care for a papal visit.

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drugsrus

Jul-17-14 1:18 PM

there has been papal visits in the past to Auriesville before in the 1950s when the number of Roman Catholic parishioners was much more than it is today. It would be a boon for the area generating a few tourist dollars for the local gov'ts to spend.

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adkkev

Jul-17-14 12:23 PM

Mr Lair: no doubt the Catholic Church could sell a couple gold goblets & pay for the security.

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BillLair

Jul-17-14 11:30 AM

And who do you propose pay for the security involved in such a visit?

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