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Overtime change OK

March 11, 2014

The Johnstown Town Board recently voted to limit overtime pay, paid at time and a half, for its employees to only situations when employees actually work more than 40 hours in a given wee....

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Gofigure

Mar-11-14 12:19 PM

Perhaps the town Board should also ban snow storms within the town.

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MrBoB51

Mar-11-14 12:41 PM

Makes you wonder what other pre 80's money grabbing policies fell through the cracks.

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grant18

Mar-11-14 1:01 PM

The bigger question here is: why didn't the employees form a union that could have protected their hard-earned rights as a legitimate (and legally enforceable if there had been a contract) "longstanding past practice." We all know the answer is that Fulton County has always had a crushing non-union stance that is what's actually the prime reason for the malaise here. Low wages, poor working conditions, firings at will, etc, lead to people not wanting to work & that is exactly what the hell-bent conservatives who comment here every day complain most about.

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PleaseGetAClue

Mar-11-14 1:59 PM

I believe they ARE Union members. (I may be wrong here but I think not) but this was obviously not covered in their contract. In which case management CAN change a policy without their approval. We shall see what this brings. My guess is the first thing it will bring is numerous call ins, by employees who are not in favor of the change, during the next snowstorm.

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PleaseGetAClue

Mar-11-14 2:00 PM

right on Grant. That sums up the area well.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-11-14 2:05 PM

Grant, your post is so nonsensical it made me laugh. If your unions were worth anything why would every single governmental agency have to have a worker protection agency? The state has one the feds have one and EVERY SINGLE union shop has their own. And it isn't simply one layer of bureaucracy it is many layers at every level that has their hand on the employers pocketbook. Unions had a place at the end of the 1800's early 1900's but when the 50's ended so did the need for paid union thugs demanding unreasonable wages and retirements even for employees that were not worth the hire, and then you not only had to pay the worthless the same as the good you couldn't fire them... Unions can go now and would NOT be missed!

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TiredOfTax

Mar-11-14 2:06 PM

Wait a minute the workers would actually miss one thing... UNION DUES that get them nothing... not a single thing!

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carogaparent

Mar-11-14 3:17 PM

The one thing people fail to see is the highway employee who god forbid gets sick in a pay period when a snow storm hits or decides to take some vacation time to attend something at school for one of their kids is now being punished. Perhaps they should have the right to not clean the roads for all of you in a pay period that they have not already worked 40 hours.

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Hilltopper

Mar-11-14 3:35 PM

If past practice was to pay the OT, it most certainly can be grieved. The problem is that with the local h'way depts their dues are paid with nothing in return from the union rep. As far as no need for unions in this day and age, check the morale at the new Wally World. Pay the minimum and you get the minimum in return. Paying elected public officials by union lobbyist has given a black eye to all organized labor and slants the playing field. NYS, employees work 37.5 hours a week. Over the course of a year it amounts to 3.25 weeks less than a 40 hour worker.

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Hilltopper

Mar-11-14 3:53 PM

If coverage can't be provided for time off during bad weather, the time off should be denied. Most school functions are cancelled during bad weather. As far as calling in sick, my advice is don't do it unless you really are too sick to work. I've seen many employees up the creek in their later years because they burned their sick days. What do you do for money if you have a heart attack or any other serious illness requiring a lot of time off, and after 25 years you have only a week of sick time saved?

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tinbucktoof

Mar-11-14 4:16 PM

So if the employees works for 4 days (32 hrs) and takes vacation one day during the week (8hrs) and works no overtime does he/she still get paid for a full week...yes Iam assuming, but if same employee works for 4 days and takes a vacation day on another and works overtime, he doesn't receive overtime pay until he works for 8 hours to make up for the day he/she took off. Then why is that employee receiving a full weeks pay when he only works for 4 days and take a fifth day off? I see they want their cake and eat it too!! Vacation/sick time is an earned benefit, whether it is included in a week that you work overtime or not, so anytime worked beyond 40 hours whether a combination of work time/vacation time or sick time equates to that 40 hours and anytime worked beyond that is OT!!

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Hearmeout

Mar-11-14 5:17 PM

The Town of Johnstown Highway employees do not have a union. They have not needed one until this board has made it their mission to destroy them. If the taxpayers and the board only knew how much money the current superintendent has saved them they might think twice but that would require looking at the facts and not relying on the State to tell them how to run things. No good ever comes of the State sticking their noses into stuff they know nothing about. So, when a worker works around the clock on Monday and Tuesday during a storm and then comes down with the flu later in the week, they are no longer entitled to all of the OT they worked? Are you kidding me? Maybe you too should run for a seat on the board!!!!

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TiredOfTax

Mar-11-14 6:40 PM

As far as the overtime in question, I have always been in favor of the overtime based on anything over an 8 hour day, You earned and were promised those days off and should not be penalized for using them. Maybe there should be some rule to limit their use so someone does not use one day a week to get extra pay and abuse the system. But on the WALMART statement... those people that work there have a JOB! They have the right to go to the labor board just like anyone that feels that they have been treated unfairly. The office is located at 199 south Main street! 773-2884.

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notgood

Mar-12-14 7:10 AM

About time, if you don't like it quit. I am sure there is someone willing to take your job. Great job Fulton County.

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MrBoB51

Mar-12-14 8:02 AM

"If the taxpayers and the board only knew how much money the current superintendent has saved them..." GREAT Hearmeout!! Now, exactly how much would that be? What do you know that they don't and why has the Board not been informed??? Why is this information being kept from the taxpayer?. Why are you throwing out self-serving statements hoping no one will notice?

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Hilltopper

Mar-12-14 8:59 AM

TOT: Too bad you weren't about 40 years younger. You would have made a great boss in the skin mills/swear shops. A gem like you comes around once in a lifetime.

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Hearmeout

Mar-12-14 9:28 AM

Well Mr. Bob, maybe you should ask the Board. They seem to know all! And, there is nothing self-serving about my statements. Why doesn't anyone care that taxpayers are paying over 20,000 in OT to a county highway employee? Seems to me there may be some mismanagement going on there!

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MrBoB51

Mar-12-14 1:25 PM

Hearmeout, I will do no such thing. YOU made the self-serving claim that you know more than they do, not me, not the Board...YOU. Answer..the..Questions.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-12-14 2:24 PM

OBAMA TO THE RESCUE! Those labor donations to democrat campaigns are paying off in huge dividends!

President Obama, flexing his executive authority once again, plans to order the Labor Department to expand overtime pay requirements to include millions more workers -- in a move likely to rankle the business community.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-12-14 2:25 PM

Hilltopper... I believe that there are MILLIONS like me! You are simply too progressive leaning to see the truth!

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didd30

Mar-12-14 2:59 PM

TOT--The Dept of Labor is no longer at 199 S. Main St. They have not been there for a few years now. They are now located at 43-47 N Main st and their hours at 12:30pm-4:30pm. This is just a satellite office the main office is in with the Workforce Solutions Center at 2620 River Front Center, Amsterdam NY 12010 (518) 842-3676

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TiredOfTax

Mar-12-14 5:15 PM

Thanks didd30, I have never been unemployed but it is great to have that information available. You can sign up online as well as by phone Telephone Claim Center, toll-free during business hours to file a claim.

1-888-209-8124 for New York State residents

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PleaseGetAClue

Mar-13-14 3:58 PM

Hill "NYS, employees work 37.5 hours a week. Over the course of a year it amounts to 3.25 weeks less than a 40 hour worker." They also are at work for an UNPAID lunch break every day that amounts to being at work for 2 1/2 hours per week that they aren't paid for. And in health care industries you may still be required to do work while on that "unpaid lunch". that could amount to 125 hours of work performed in a year without being paid a penny. and that is fair in what way?

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PleaseGetAClue

Mar-13-14 4:02 PM

TOT you are so uninformed it's mind boggling. "They have the right to go to the labor board just like anyone that feels that they have been treated unfairly." I deal with the NLRB almost every day. Please call the National Labor Relations Board and tell them you have a problem at work. They will ask you if you have a labor contract and a Union. if you answer no, they will tell you that unless it's an allegation of discrimination based on religion, sexual orientation, or something similar, there is nothing you can do. The NLRB is NOT there to protect workers. you are seriously out of touch

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PleaseGetAClue

Mar-13-14 4:06 PM

Also TOT, The Labor Board (NLRB) is located in Albany. On the corner of Pearl and Clinton 6th floor in the Federal Building. There is NO Labor Board office in Fulton County.

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