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Pipeline study going too long

January 22, 2014

A U.S. decision on whether a pipeline to bring oil from Canada to this country will not be rushed, Secretary of State John Kerry told Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird last week....

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Gofigure

Jan-22-14 12:01 PM

For once we can truly say something really is Obama's fault. Doesn't anyone in Washington have a rubber stamp these days. Screw the environmentalists.

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Scarecrow57

Jan-22-14 1:05 PM

Well the first thing to know is Phase 1 and Phase 2 of the pipeline are complete and are pumping oil to refineries in Illinois (obama land) and Nebraska. Phase 4 is also complete. These knuckleheads need to give the go ahead and move on.

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adkkev

Jan-22-14 1:38 PM

You guys are in la-la land if you think that this oil, or the natural gas from fracking, is for domestic use. The object is to pipeline the oil/gas to refineries with port access so the product can be shipped overseas at higher prices (& profit). All that oil being brought into the port of Albany via rail isn't going for domestic use either. "Free Market" as MrBob would say!

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Patriot1

Jan-22-14 2:18 PM

Analogous to "fracking" no-decision in NY State. Shameful on both a national and state level. Gutless politicians who are both ideologues and political manipulators are not worth a spit because they compromise both the safety and economy of the area of their responsibility.

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MrBoB51

Jan-22-14 2:28 PM

That's right adkkev. The Free Market, Capitalism and American ingenuity all wrapped up in one big UppaUS to the Saudi's. A poster in another topic made the comment 'if you want to starve a rat, don't feed it' the rat in this case is the Middle East, let them figure out how to eat their oil while we become Energy independent.

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adkkev

Jan-22-14 2:40 PM

MrBob: the Free Market will allow the Middle East oil cartel to sell their oil to India & China, plenty of demand there & growing. I'm not sure how dependence upon Canadian oil helps our "energy independence".

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Hilltopper

Jan-22-14 2:49 PM

Oct 15 (Reuters) - The United States has overtaken Saudi Arabia to become the world's biggest oil producer as the jump in output from shale plays has led to the second biggest oil boom in history, according to leading U.S. energy consultancy PIRA. U.S. output, which includes natural gas liquids and biofuels, has swelled 3.2 million barrels per day (bpd) since 2009, the fastest expansion in production over a four-year period since a surge in Saudi Arabia's output from 1970-1974, PIRA said in a release on Tuesday."(The U.S.) growth rate is greater than the sum of the growth of the next nine fastest growing countries combined and has covered most of the world's net demand growth over the past two years," PIRA Energy Group wrote. "The U.S. position as the largest oil supplier in the world looks to be secure for many years," it added.

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Hilltopper

Jan-22-14 2:58 PM

That being said, Obama should facilitate the pipeline construction. That way exports to meet foreign demand for oil can keep the price at the pump high for Joe Doak on the street in USA, right BoB?

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MrBoB51

Jan-22-14 6:55 PM

No hill, and I wont take the bait however nicely it's offered. I'm a bit surprised though, you're not one to cite extremes. We have not only Canadian oil but a helluva lot of Texas and ND oil and enough NG to keep us all warm, fuzzy and Industrious for some time. Humans are carbon engines who rely on carbon based fuels to grease and run the Worlds Economic Engine, WE just have to start thinking about this whole supply/distribution network in a new way without the old preconceptions diverting our attention from a new model that America gets to build and the World follows.

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TiredOfTax

Jan-22-14 7:56 PM

Obama only has to "allow" the connection across the border. The rest does not need his permission at all. He can say anything that he wants, most of it as we all know is fake and deceitful as it always is. Pinocchio has self-defined his presidency so nicely for us all.

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ADKman

Jan-23-14 2:37 AM

"If the pipeline is not built, Canada will sell its oil to China".

So what? The Keystone oil will NOT stay in the US. It will be sold to China anyway. The Keystone Pipeline is all about corporate profits, not about the US being energy independent.

What an ignorant editorial.

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Patriot1

Jan-23-14 7:23 AM

Over the next number of years, the world economy will be growing rapidly. During that time, the development/production of various energy supplies (oil, natural gas, nuclear) will depend upon the economic feasibility of development. That is a reality in a world run by economics whether it is Russia, China the USA, or any other country. During this transitionary period, as in any other time, we must balance our own needs with the political realities in other parts of the world. Nothing changes except the political acumen of our "leaders" who make these decisions. If we are not happy with their decisions which affect both our economy and our safety, we MUST vote to make significant changes - if we do not, we are shamefully stupid - our very well-being as a country depends on it.

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FedUp0416

Jan-23-14 8:15 AM

ADKman: Those vile corporate profits! They should be outlawed. I think corporations should operate with no profit too. Any extra money they get should go to the government to spend. The governement is who knows what is best. They run effciently, distribute lots and lots of money to the lazy and irresponsible class and can even deliver mail and make the trains run. The government makes decisions quickly and in a fair and even manner. I say we should just give all our money to them and let them redistribute it as they see best. Takes alot of pressue off all of us that are trying to make ends meet. I will just ask Paul Tonko for an allowance.

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MrBoB51

Jan-23-14 9:26 AM

Hmmm, 'profit' is bad? How so? The Economically ignorant 'prophet' in the WH is whats bad. Maybe that's what adkman meant.

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adkkev

Jan-23-14 12:06 PM

Nothing wrong with profits MrBob!! But if you were running the energy companies, and there's more profit to be made by selling the oil/gas outside of the United States, wouldn't you do so? There's nothing to keep that domestic oil/gas here in the States, it'll go wherever the energy companies make the most $$. Since profit is the driving factor (Free Market), this doesn't really promote domestic energy independence does it?

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laker88

Jan-23-14 12:43 PM

12 leaks in 11 months. Its the Repub governors in the West/No. West states who have been opposed to it..

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MrBoB51

Jan-23-14 1:21 PM

I'm looking to what is called a Comparative Advantage adkkev, consider looking at an old problem at new yet economically principled way.

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Hilltopper

Jan-23-14 2:57 PM

What is the advantage to the ordinary American, 99.5% of the population? Instead of "Drill baby, drill"' Palin should have been honest and said, "Put a tiger in your tank." When the Saudis were price gouging us gasoline was a half a buck a gallon at the pumps in the OPEC countries. That same advantage for domestic consumers is not realized in the US. And BoB, you must be a heck of a lot smarter than I am because half the time I have no idea what the H you are talking about, which leads me to believe that you have no idea what you are talking about either. Maybe Andy was right about extremists.

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adkkev

Jan-23-14 2:59 PM

MrBob: I still don't see how this promotes energy independence for the United States. If global demand for a commodity dictates a higher price for a product, and potentially higher profit, then a company sells that commodity on the global market rather than the domestic market.

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MrBoB51

Jan-24-14 8:14 AM

That's right adkkev, and America sets the 'rules'. What's YOUR definition of Energy Independence? That answer might help clear up some confusion.

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MrBoB51

Jan-24-14 8:24 AM

Hill, are you saying that because sometimes YOU can't follow MY logic therefore I don't know what I'm talking about and that makes ME extreme??!!! Although it's arrogantly self-serving, after a remark like that perhaps you're right, I may 'be a heck of a lot smarter' that you.

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adkkev

Jan-24-14 9:16 AM

MrBob: "America sets the rules"?? Corporate America or Government America? I'm unclear what you meant by your statement. My impression of "Energy Independence" was for the country to be reliant upon itself for its energy, not outside sources. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'm sure you'll tell me. :)

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Hilltopper

Jan-24-14 12:40 PM

BoB "We have not only Canadian oil" How does Canadian oil contribute to our energy self sufficiency? To what advantage is self sufficiency if we Americans are paying more for gasoline and all petroleum products now than when OPEC controlled the market? Further, "The Economically ignorant 'prophet' in the WH is whats bad". I have no idea what the WH is, nor what you mean. I thought all profit, if self-serving, was good, excluding the Saudis or any other non WASPs, right?

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Hilltopper

Jan-24-14 12:46 PM

On that note excuse me while I go outside to get some firewood. I can't see paying $3.79 for oil and Nat Grid won't run a line to bring NG up my street. Export more, drill baby, drill!

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Pards13

Jan-24-14 1:45 PM

As I am a wasp I am offended, but I guess its alright to call white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant males names.

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