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Unions, county begin talks

Contracts up for discussion

January 13, 2014

JOHNSTOWN — Fulton County government is beginning the new year with new contract discussions with its unions, starting Wednesday with one of the county Sheriff’s Department unions....

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tommylarry

Jan-13-14 10:07 PM

I understand and agree with mrbob51's posts

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adkkev

Jan-13-14 9:51 PM

MrBob: I'm not disputing your opinion, just trying to understand how your thought process on this.

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adkkev

Jan-13-14 9:49 PM

I'm not I follow you. I understand that no one is entitled to any money, taxpayer's or otherwise. But I think that you're saying that a union DPW employee would be penalized by the spending actions of a non-union department head/manager, despite whatever efforts the union DPW worker made to save $$. Regardless of the situation, correct? So if say the price of salt/sand goes up by 25% unexpectedly, and the dept personnel make every effort possible to save $$ despite that increase, and it ends up that property tax needs to be raised to cover that extra cost, then the DPW worker would lose wages? Is that how your job worked? If you didn't meet certain expectations to save company $$, then your wages were cut accordingly? Doesn't matter if your wages were paid for by taxpayers or the general public buying goods/services from you, or does this only apply to union employees?

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MrBoB51

Jan-13-14 4:13 PM

Those workers work for us the taxpayers, Owners if you will, we are not their Managers or Supervisors who are held accountable to the taxpayers and voters on a different job description. That being said, those are the conditions within your job description if you want to work for the County. Union or not, no one is 'entitled' to the taxpayers money. If those current employees want what they consider a better environment, go for it. I'm sure there are plenty of willing and able people to replace them. What's to negotiate?

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adkkev

Jan-13-14 3:54 PM

So ... the DPW worker who has absolutely no control over county/city spending gets penalized by the actions of those who actually do control the spending, and ultimately the property tax rate? That individual, or group of individuals if you can into account the whole unionized DPW, may be doing everything they can possibly do to control and/or lower their dept's costs. And is your opening statement non-negotiable?

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MrBoB51

Jan-13-14 12:56 PM

All of these folks serve and are paid by Taxpayers. My opening statement in negotiations would be something like 'from now on your YEARLY wage will be determined by the County's avg. property tax's stability. If it stays 0% over the previous year your wages remain the same. If the tax percentage goes negative you will receive 1/2 of the lower tax percentage as an increase, eg. 2% drop in property taxes = 1% increase in wages. If the percentage goes up, your wages go down the same percentage. This should be an incentive to SAVE taxpayers money, not just another 'demand-fest = automatic raise' type of negotiations.

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