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Standards need patience

November 7, 2013

Given that concerned parents packed the HFM-BOCES campus at a recent event to get information about the Common Core, clearly there are still concerns about the new educational standards....

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DontBuyTheBull

Nov-07-13 1:01 PM

Bien dicho! I don't understand any of the fuss of parents. These parents should use the energy they expel on complaining, to help their children. Compared internationally, our standards have been too low, for too long. When has holding higher standards EVER been a bad thing?

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 1:02 PM

How about we just scrap all this Common Core and self esteem crap and return to the standards of 50 years ago????

I know that sounds archaic, but there was discipline in the classroom, and students learned. They were ready for college without remedial courses. They were prepared to work in industry and be much more than an infantryman in the military.

But we are so much more advanced than that --- REALLY ??????

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 1:11 PM

Three comment threads on this subject with most of the posters displaying an adversity to the programs low standards. Apparently those of us who see the light are not blinded by the smokescreen the gov't is putting up.

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PAMOJA

Nov-07-13 1:36 PM

they need a longer schoolday/school year. Other countries have loger days/years and even some Saturday classes. School is really inconvenient for parents who work. It's time for schools to make changes to their schedules, afterall we are not all farmers anymore!

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PAMOJA

Nov-07-13 1:37 PM

they need more time to cram all this stuff in. if there were more school days, the kids would have more time to learn things, be more prepared.

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 2:02 PM

PAMOJA, the time in school hasn't changes for longer than I care to remember, so time in school is not a valid argument. And "cram" all what stuff in??? The only thing that should have changed in school since my mom's days in school ( she is 92 and a member of GHS 1940) is history because there is much more of it. Math is still the same (I think 2+2 is still 4), Language arts have been put on the back burner, gramma, spelling, penmanship and writing composition (core subjects) have become lost arts. You need to put more thought into this.

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laker88

Nov-07-13 5:22 PM

Bull...In many other countries, schools are for academics....extras like sports, music, drama etc are done outside of school. Also, with most European schools, at the age of 14-15 students can choose either an academic or technical route, they can have the option of switching later on. A student who wants to be a carpenter, mechanic etc doesn't have to sit through academic courses which will be of no use in their area of employment. Re more school days, many European schools have around 160 days, but some days are longer, and with no extras there's more time on task....the time is used more efficiently.

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Gemini

Nov-07-13 6:45 PM

Drugs, I hope you were kidding with "gramma" just before spelling. It is grammar. But you knew that, right?

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 7:10 PM

yeah, missed a key, I respectfully apologize

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 7:16 PM

you are right laker. At 18 I was too old to be accepted in Rolls-Royce apprenticeship, and I know of one company in Germany where their apprentice machinists for the first year do nothing but file a cube -- flat, and square all sides and zero tolerance. Anyone who thinks that is an easy task should try it.

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TiredOfTax

Nov-08-13 7:40 AM

Patience is needed with every government run program. They throw something together in a rush to "Get something done" and then show their incompetence chasing around all of the mistakes that they made... sound familiar?

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usedtolivethere

Nov-08-13 8:01 AM

It sure does sound familiar, TOT. Rushing into Iraq when the problem was in Afghanistan was a huge blunder.

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MrBoB51

Nov-08-13 9:13 AM

Yeah usedto, blunders like instead of the uninsured becoming insured, Libs have managed to uninsure the already insured. Extrapolate that to Common Core, every lib 'program's' outcome is the exact opposite of what they claim so REAL education will suffer. Patience my azz, Libs are the Backazzwards Party and the proof is in their 'programs'.

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usedtolivethere

Nov-08-13 9:34 AM

So Bobbi, you don't accept (or won't) Social Security. You don't believe in unemployment compensation, the 40 hour workweek, minimum wage, child work laws, collective bargaining, early childcare, the Peace Corps, etc. because they are all programs of the backwards party. Let's not forget the student loan program, or for that matter libraries, police, fire departments and poorly paid public teachers. You are one selfish, arrogant, condescending, greedy fool. You accept the programs created by libs that benefit you and chastise the rest. Remember, a society is judged by how they treat the least among them.

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Pards13

Nov-08-13 10:57 AM

You had me all the way to poorly paid, in Fulton County they are among the highest paid. Before you get going that a quality teacher is not worth it just they are not poorly paid for our community.

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PleaseGetAClue

Nov-08-13 12:26 PM

Pards, That's bull. Show the figures to substanciate your claim that they are among the highest paid....and what do you consider high paid? $40,000?

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PleaseGetAClue

Nov-08-13 12:27 PM

$15,000/year is "not poorly paid for our community" that is contradictory to what you're saying

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MrBoB51

Nov-08-13 12:31 PM

Of course I believe in Child Labor Laws. The rest of the garbage you love was added much later. It's funny that all those names you called me apply to each and every one of those liberal programs you mentioned you love. As far as how I treat the least amongst us, all things considered, I treat you pretty well.

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DaveGibson

Nov-08-13 1:20 PM

No surprise that MrBob turned this into an anti-liberal rant.

Drugs had it right. It's time to end the nonsense and return to what worked many years ago, basic education. I also very firmly believe that both teachers and students need a business-like dress code. No more tee shirts and jeans, no more sneakers. School is work, and should be treated as such. A dress code is part of the discipline of learning.

I've also heard that classes are no longer segregated by ability, that everyone is lumped in together, the faster learners with the slower. I don't know who thought this would be a good idea, but it is not.

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TiredOfTax

Nov-08-13 1:35 PM

There should be an anti liberal rant going on across the entire country. The useless legislation that has divided our country and creates many more problems than they solved is all the evidence you need to declare the liberals ideas absurd. Only progressives and liberals see any of this as beneficial not anyone that can see it all as the nonsense it truly all is!

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usedtolivethere

Nov-08-13 3:43 PM

Your answer validated my accusations thank you very much. so you don't or won't take Social Security?

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drugsrus

Nov-08-13 7:38 PM

Dave, I'm impressed.

usedto, Social security is NOT government money. They deducted it from my paycheck and forced my employer to match my contribution. When I signed up, I told them that they didn't have to send me a check every month. They were impressed, until I told them I would settle for a one time payment of about $350K - a guestimate of the contributions made and about 30yrs. interest on that money. They refused my offer, so I told them to just make sure the checks aren't late.

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usedtolivethere

Nov-09-13 7:25 AM

Social Security is not government money is true, but it certainly is a liberal program, which is what I said if you bothered to read it. and what is your interest rate? $350K??? I don't think so.

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Pards13

Nov-09-13 8:21 AM

****://factfinder2dot census*gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_11_5YR_DP03 Go to todays paper Johnstown gym teacher appointment 2 to 3 year teacher 47k puts him at midway point two teacher family salary in the top 80% add in benefits of about 30%not bad. Especially for 9 months and lets not forget stipends 2-3 k per season for coaching three seasons another 9-10 k. Work during summer another 10 k or more. I am not saying that they don't earn it but I am saying I am tired of the bull that they are all so under paid for our area. I make more than teachers I work routinely 50 to 60 hours. Nights, weekends and sometimes I take a week vacation. Three weeks for the last 5 years (teacher 50 weeks plus for 5 years). Poorly paid I think not. Oh by the way Johnstown pays the lower than most of the other districts which pushes up most other teachers higher in the stats.

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Pards13

Nov-09-13 8:27 AM

Oh by the way if the poorly paid teachers or anyone else does not like their circumstances I suggest they change it. Move change jobs, work longer. Actually when the teachers, state workers and such are among the best paid workers in an area it does not speak well of an area.

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