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Standards need patience

November 7, 2013

Given that concerned parents packed the HFM-BOCES campus at a recent event to get information about the Common Core, clearly there are still concerns about the new educational standards....

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Pards13

Nov-12-13 10:29 AM

No response Pleasegetaclue?

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drugsrus

Nov-10-13 1:23 AM

funny thing is adkgirl, that the kiddies laugh it all off. When I was teaching in a vo-tech environment an alum from about 10 years prior, who was at the time a regional manager for an auto repair chain, came in and laid it out for our classes. He wasn't a good student while he was there and paid big $$ to go to a trade school to learn what was available at the vo-tech for free. -- did not have any effect - might as well spoke to the bakery class for all the good that was accomplished.

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adkgirl

Nov-09-13 9:54 PM

Just my opinion...if FMCC and other colleges are upset that so many students need to be remediated in their first year of college, stop blaming the K-12 schools and do NOT accept these students! Then maybe the students will believe their HS teachers when they tell the kids "you need to know this to get into college". The colleges accept the kids, take their $, make them take remedial classes which cost $ and come with no credit. Then statistically, a great number of these students drop out--still owing student loans and with no degree.

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adkgirl

Nov-09-13 9:51 PM

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October 2, 2013, 1:24 pm

By Steven Ward

Interesting reading.....

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drugsrus

Nov-09-13 3:18 PM

oops typo -- lOng ago

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drugsrus

Nov-09-13 3:17 PM

yes,usedto 350K. There was a time not so ling ago when (as a guideline) your money should have doubled every 7 years and it adds up fast that way Tell me if you would work for one cent per day doubled every day. Please answer that without sniping, just yes or no.

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Pards13

Nov-09-13 8:27 AM

Oh by the way if the poorly paid teachers or anyone else does not like their circumstances I suggest they change it. Move change jobs, work longer. Actually when the teachers, state workers and such are among the best paid workers in an area it does not speak well of an area.

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Pards13

Nov-09-13 8:21 AM

****://factfinder2dot census*gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_11_5YR_DP03 Go to todays paper Johnstown gym teacher appointment 2 to 3 year teacher 47k puts him at midway point two teacher family salary in the top 80% add in benefits of about 30%not bad. Especially for 9 months and lets not forget stipends 2-3 k per season for coaching three seasons another 9-10 k. Work during summer another 10 k or more. I am not saying that they don't earn it but I am saying I am tired of the bull that they are all so under paid for our area. I make more than teachers I work routinely 50 to 60 hours. Nights, weekends and sometimes I take a week vacation. Three weeks for the last 5 years (teacher 50 weeks plus for 5 years). Poorly paid I think not. Oh by the way Johnstown pays the lower than most of the other districts which pushes up most other teachers higher in the stats.

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usedtolivethere

Nov-09-13 7:25 AM

Social Security is not government money is true, but it certainly is a liberal program, which is what I said if you bothered to read it. and what is your interest rate? $350K??? I don't think so.

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drugsrus

Nov-08-13 7:38 PM

Dave, I'm impressed.

usedto, Social security is NOT government money. They deducted it from my paycheck and forced my employer to match my contribution. When I signed up, I told them that they didn't have to send me a check every month. They were impressed, until I told them I would settle for a one time payment of about $350K - a guestimate of the contributions made and about 30yrs. interest on that money. They refused my offer, so I told them to just make sure the checks aren't late.

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usedtolivethere

Nov-08-13 3:43 PM

Your answer validated my accusations thank you very much. so you don't or won't take Social Security?

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TiredOfTax

Nov-08-13 1:35 PM

There should be an anti liberal rant going on across the entire country. The useless legislation that has divided our country and creates many more problems than they solved is all the evidence you need to declare the liberals ideas absurd. Only progressives and liberals see any of this as beneficial not anyone that can see it all as the nonsense it truly all is!

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DaveGibson

Nov-08-13 1:20 PM

No surprise that MrBob turned this into an anti-liberal rant.

Drugs had it right. It's time to end the nonsense and return to what worked many years ago, basic education. I also very firmly believe that both teachers and students need a business-like dress code. No more tee shirts and jeans, no more sneakers. School is work, and should be treated as such. A dress code is part of the discipline of learning.

I've also heard that classes are no longer segregated by ability, that everyone is lumped in together, the faster learners with the slower. I don't know who thought this would be a good idea, but it is not.

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MrBoB51

Nov-08-13 12:31 PM

Of course I believe in Child Labor Laws. The rest of the garbage you love was added much later. It's funny that all those names you called me apply to each and every one of those liberal programs you mentioned you love. As far as how I treat the least amongst us, all things considered, I treat you pretty well.

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PleaseGetAClue

Nov-08-13 12:27 PM

$15,000/year is "not poorly paid for our community" that is contradictory to what you're saying

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PleaseGetAClue

Nov-08-13 12:26 PM

Pards, That's bull. Show the figures to substanciate your claim that they are among the highest paid....and what do you consider high paid? $40,000?

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Pards13

Nov-08-13 10:57 AM

You had me all the way to poorly paid, in Fulton County they are among the highest paid. Before you get going that a quality teacher is not worth it just they are not poorly paid for our community.

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usedtolivethere

Nov-08-13 9:34 AM

So Bobbi, you don't accept (or won't) Social Security. You don't believe in unemployment compensation, the 40 hour workweek, minimum wage, child work laws, collective bargaining, early childcare, the Peace Corps, etc. because they are all programs of the backwards party. Let's not forget the student loan program, or for that matter libraries, police, fire departments and poorly paid public teachers. You are one selfish, arrogant, condescending, greedy fool. You accept the programs created by libs that benefit you and chastise the rest. Remember, a society is judged by how they treat the least among them.

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MrBoB51

Nov-08-13 9:13 AM

Yeah usedto, blunders like instead of the uninsured becoming insured, Libs have managed to uninsure the already insured. Extrapolate that to Common Core, every lib 'program's' outcome is the exact opposite of what they claim so REAL education will suffer. Patience my azz, Libs are the Backazzwards Party and the proof is in their 'programs'.

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usedtolivethere

Nov-08-13 8:01 AM

It sure does sound familiar, TOT. Rushing into Iraq when the problem was in Afghanistan was a huge blunder.

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TiredOfTax

Nov-08-13 7:40 AM

Patience is needed with every government run program. They throw something together in a rush to "Get something done" and then show their incompetence chasing around all of the mistakes that they made... sound familiar?

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 7:16 PM

you are right laker. At 18 I was too old to be accepted in Rolls-Royce apprenticeship, and I know of one company in Germany where their apprentice machinists for the first year do nothing but file a cube -- flat, and square all sides and zero tolerance. Anyone who thinks that is an easy task should try it.

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drugsrus

Nov-07-13 7:10 PM

yeah, missed a key, I respectfully apologize

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Gemini

Nov-07-13 6:45 PM

Drugs, I hope you were kidding with "gramma" just before spelling. It is grammar. But you knew that, right?

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laker88

Nov-07-13 5:22 PM

Bull...In many other countries, schools are for academics....extras like sports, music, drama etc are done outside of school. Also, with most European schools, at the age of 14-15 students can choose either an academic or technical route, they can have the option of switching later on. A student who wants to be a carpenter, mechanic etc doesn't have to sit through academic courses which will be of no use in their area of employment. Re more school days, many European schools have around 160 days, but some days are longer, and with no extras there's more time on task....the time is used more efficiently.

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