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Too late to end ACA?

October 25, 2013

Don’t give up on the Obamacare website, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius urged people recently....

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Hilltopper

Oct-25-13 11:08 AM

It was interesting that Kathleen Sebelius said today the people calling for her resignation were not the people she worked for. Just who does she think a public servant is supposed to work for?

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MrBoB51

Oct-25-13 11:16 AM

Was it too late to end Slavery?

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DaveGibson

Oct-25-13 12:25 PM

It is true that premiums are going up in states that allowed insurance companies to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and insure only the healthiest customers, but in New York, where denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions has been illegal, premiums are generally going down. Two years ago, in CT, my monthly premium was $1150. Here in NY it will be $683.

People in NY who had bare bones policies may see their premium rise a bit because the ACA requires policies to cover preventive care, such as mammograms and colonoscopies. Then again, many people will see their premiums go down because of the federal subsidies.

To those who would to simply see the ACA go away, I'd ask what you'd replace it with? Nothing? Go back to the way things were?

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timezup

Oct-25-13 12:27 PM

Another slanted editorial. Aren't you tired of this nonsense?? Agree with Dave.....for years nothing has been done to help our healthcare system. At least someone is trying. He got voted back into office....deal with it!

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Scarecrow57

Oct-25-13 12:39 PM

Oh good grief timezup. Do you not know that ALL editorial opinion pieces are biased. The NYT produce an entire p[aper filled with opinion pieces that they try to masquerade as news.

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Scarecrow57

Oct-25-13 12:44 PM

Now for the ACA. This entire thing is doomed. It is based on the flawed assumption that the 48 Million uninsured people actually want insurance. In the end, there will still be 47 million uninsured who will pay the tax; if the IRS can prove they had no insurance. As for the web site. This is the first exposure most Americans got to this fiasco. We all know that first impressions are lasting impressions. If this administration put this little effort into at least making the front end work properly it makes me feel very uneasy about the effort put into the rest of the system. This Obamanation is destined for failure. Its just a question of how many people get hurt along the way.

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Scarecrow57

Oct-25-13 12:47 PM

I have also long said what this country needs is a multi payer system run by the government. The payers (aka citizens) pay the government a tax based on the number of people in the household. The more people in the home the higher the tax, after all, larger households will use more services. Now health care costs will drop. How you ask. Simple, Government decisions take 6 months or more, so while people needing health care are waiting for the government to decide they will die, thus cutting cost.

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Pards13

Oct-25-13 12:49 PM

Dave, MY premium has gone up, my deductible has gone up and not by a bit. Don't sugar coat this farce as there are more and more working people who are now finding out their insurance is going away and they have to find some thing else. By the way how much is that insurance you claim to be 1200 per year for two people? I may need to look into as mine is up $6500 and a increase in the deductible from $5400 to $6000. I don't call that a bit. If I sound mad you are right I am.

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Patriot1

Oct-25-13 1:17 PM

Remember the musical, "Li'l Abner"? "Who was it that led the charge that took us safe to the rear"?

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TiredOfTax

Oct-25-13 1:37 PM

It is not over until we QUIT! It is never too late to end a bad law and this rush through is a very bad and overly complicated pile of paper that should and MUST be repealed. Do you know that a great majority of the people that are now looking for healthcare are the ones that insurance companies had to drop as they did not meet the Obamacare standards? Did you know that with the delay of the employer mandate for a year employees that would have had to be covered under the employer plan now have to go BUY it themselves or be fined? Next year they will already have coverage so many employers may not have to pay for them at all. This law was overdone on partisan policy that is in no way going to save us anything and force MILLIONS that have little money PAY for insurance that they may not even want.

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DaveGibson

Oct-25-13 1:52 PM

TOT- please explain "Do you know that a great majority of the people that are now looking for healthcare are the ones that insurance companies had to drop as they did not meet the Obamacare standards?" What standards does the ACA set for people that their insurance companies would drop them?

Pard- The $1259 is after subsidies.

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TiredOfTax

Oct-25-13 2:09 PM

More Americans In 3 States Have Had Their Insurance Canceled Under ObamaCare Than Have Filed An Exchange Account In All 50 But the cancellation notices, which began arriving in August, have shocked many consumers in light of President Barack Obama’s promise that people could keep their plans if they liked them.

“I don’t feel like I need to change, but I have to,” said Jeff Learned, a television editor in Los Angeles, who must find a new plan for his teenage daughter, who has a health condition that has required multiple surgeries.

A "family glitch" in the 2010 health care law threatens to cost some families thousands of dollars in health insurance costs and leave up to 500,000 children without coverage, insurance and health care analysts say.

It is not a fair or reliable way to run healthcare or the country!

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Pards13

Oct-25-13 2:13 PM

which plan? Which insurance company? Don't worry I will check as I don't want to pay any more than I have to.

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DaveGibson

Oct-25-13 3:02 PM

TOT, your quote was from a Forbes article. I looked for the reason why. It wasn't the people who were dropped, it was their policies because they didn't meet the basic requirements of the ACA. The people sent the cancellation notice were asked to sign up for different policies.

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Scarecrow57

Oct-25-13 3:06 PM

What standards does the ACA set for people that their insurance companies would drop them?

The requirement ot cover annual physicals in full. From the time I was 20 until the time I was 50 I didn't get an annual physical. My only insurance needs were to cover catastrophic events (broken bones etc). everything else I would pay out of pocket.

We as a society have lost that freedom.

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Scarecrow57

Oct-25-13 3:09 PM

"...it was their policies because they didn't meet the basic requirements of the ACA"

BINGO!!!!!! Why should big brother be telling what my minimum needs are? This is part of the failure. Once this thing is fully implemented and people see the damage the Democrats have done there will be a major revolt in 2014 and 2016.

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DaveGibson

Oct-25-13 3:17 PM

Pards - Fidelis Care, silver, of the NY State of Health website.

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FedUp0416

Oct-25-13 4:04 PM

The only thing that is a bigger joke than the ACA is the contortions that the lefties are doing to try to come up with a way to blame anyone but Obama and Sebelius. Howard Dean actually blamed the Republicans. I am not sure that if Obama and Sebelius got up and said it was their fault GIBSON and the rest of lefties would agree. It is amazing that they live in their own litle world and dont have the courage to venture out and really see what is going on. ACA will not work. The website is just the first card crumbling in this house of cards called the Obama presidency. And now they are listening in on our allies. Nice way to win friends. But I am sure you lefties will find a way to rationalize that too. You always do. Maybe Bush made him do it. Maybe Cheney has taken over Obama's brain and secretly controls it from Wyoming. Maybe Ted Cruz did it. Anybody but Obama. Right lefties??

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gville70

Oct-25-13 4:30 PM

What a bunch of crybabies.. Best comment was americans have lost their right to be uninsured!!! You guys crack me up

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DaveGibson

Oct-25-13 5:02 PM

I think it's interesting that right wingers are saying that the ACA is a failure when it hasn't even gone into effect yet. And I have news for you. The ACA will never go away. It might be amended to fix problems or make it better, but it is here to stay.

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TiredOfTax

Oct-25-13 5:36 PM

The UNAFORDABLE care act is going to go down in flames all by itself with the problems the liberals wrote into it in their haste. It does nothing that Americans needed, first it does not provide free coverage every plan has a payment involved. 2 it does absolutely nothing at all to control costs. 3 it is hated by 60% of Americans and that number is growing every single day. 4 even democrats are calling for the delay for the individual mandate as it forces the uninsured to purchase insurance that should be employer based. It isn't because at this time the plans do not fit the Obama requirements. So it cancels insurance plans that people must now obtain on their own because liberals did not think that their insurance was good enough... I believe next time democrats should THINK, READ and LISTEN so this type or lopsided mistakes are not done again.

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TiredOfTax

Oct-25-13 5:43 PM

Dave, unlike you I am not a one site wonder, I read a lot and if you are truly interested in my sources here is a list for that post! 'Family glitch' in health law could be painful - USA Today

Thousands get health insurance cancellation notices - NBC News

More Americans In 3 States Have Had Their Insurance Canceled - Forbes

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MrBoB51

Oct-25-13 6:27 PM

Patriot, it was Jubilation T. Cornpone. You're on to something!

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MrBoB51

Oct-25-13 7:10 PM

It's very clear that everybody everywhere in America has an opinion on how this ACA thing is supposed to work because THAT is NOT clear. Americans are confused, angry, hyper partisan and are being fed misinformation and direct lies to keep us growling at each other. Meanwhile, as anger and frustration grows so does the inevitability of a single payer European style health care system over Free Market principled solutions. We have too many dependent and poorly informed Americans who do not understand that the Free Market is a plague ONLY to Progressives and their goals. They only know that Liberals give them free stuff. That's all they want to know...who's got the freebies. Nope, don't care where it came from, came from gubbmit.

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TiredOfTax

Oct-25-13 7:22 PM

Today's headlines:

More states warn against Obamacare fraud...

SICK: Seniors lose their doctors... 'Glitches' hit paper, phone applications too...

Zero enrollments in Oregon...

Premiums double in Wisconsin...

School District Hit with $6M in New Costs...

10 Senate Dems demand delay...

PROPOSED LAW: 'If You Like Your Health Plan, You Can Keep It Act'...

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