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U.S. needs real victory

October 18, 2013

The standoff between liberals and conservatives in Washington is at an end — for now....

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BEREAL64

Oct-18-13 11:54 AM

Please stop misrepresenting Republicans as “fiscal discipline conservatives”. Republicans are passing laws across the nation to require unnecessary medical procedures for women considering abortions. They want additional background checks for the ACA adding to its cost. They misrepresented the facts and put us into a trillion dollar war in Iraq and told us we would be treated as liberators. Republicans gave us “No Child Left Behind” and increased the cost of education in every state with no benefit to the education of our children. There were many in the Republican party who were willing to default and cost our country billions in additional interest on our debt. Both parties spend too much in Washington. Each have different agendas. State the difference in agendas and eliminate the inappropriate and deceiving labels used by Republicans.

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MrBoB51

Oct-18-13 12:11 PM

As if 'progressive' isn't deceiving. There's and old fable bereal, that ends with the moral "pointing to the mud on someone else's fins does nothing to improve your swimming".

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DaveGibson

Oct-18-13 12:38 PM

What a load of hooey. "big-government liberals and fiscal discipline conservatives". Republicans are anything but fiscally conservative. Besides the list BeReal posted, let's not forget about the Medicare Modernization Act Bush pushed for and signed in 2003. Part of the MMA's regulations include forbidding the federal government from negotiating lower drug prices with big pharma, and gives subsidies to large employers to continue to provide drug coverage to retirees. Republicans refused to consider seriously reducing military spending, which accounts for half of our annual federal budget.

Under Obama, the deficit has been halved from what it was when he took office, and there are 2.6% fewer federal employees.

This editorial should read "fiscally conservative Democrats and big government Republicans" to be accurate.

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adkkev

Oct-18-13 12:48 PM

MrBob longs the old days when only white land-owning males could vote, there were no labor laws, slavery was legal, no pollution control laws, etc., before those pesky progressives came in and messed up the world. But then that's just my impression. Carry on!!! It's TGIF!!!

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TiredOfTax

Oct-18-13 1:13 PM

What happens to this debt when inflation hits? KABOOM! The payment on interest is going to choke us all! The only REAL answer is to CUT THE WASTE and spend WITHIN a budget. Obama has had his way spending our future long enough, it is time to pay it back as the party is OVER!

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TiredOfTax

Oct-18-13 1:15 PM

BEREAL are you for real? You want to talk about deception look no further than on the end of YOUR PARTIES NOSE democrats have lied all the way through Obamas presidency...a real pile of manure has been spread and it is costing us EVERYTHING!

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DaveGibson

Oct-18-13 1:18 PM

TOT, for the last time, it is Congress that controls the budget, not the president. He can only spend what Congress authorizes.

Also, "cut the waste" is a catch phrase that means nothing. What "waste" would you cut?

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FedUp0416

Oct-18-13 1:29 PM

GIBSON - Please provide your source for your deficit statement that shows the deficit in half. I cannot locate anything close to that.

As for governement waste, just check the Sen Coburn website. He as a list that would save 70 billion immediately.

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TiredOfTax

Oct-18-13 2:01 PM

Well Dave to star with how about the extrodinary measures that kept the debt 40 million below the debt limit for 120+ days even though the government spend much more than it took in... seems like it was wasted otherwise... how about the money THROWN away on green technology or the cash for clunkers or the ever expanding disability of the welfare or OBAMACARE or the money paid to CGI to develop the useless obamacare website or the vacations for 200+ million a pop??? How about some COMMON sense steps to reduce WASTEFUL spending HOW ABOUT THE BILLIONS thrown into the fray (pork barrel spending) to reopen the government? Do you want me to write it all down for you progressive wasters so you can get a list going???

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TiredOfTax

Oct-18-13 2:04 PM

PS DAVE I do hope that WAS the LAST TIME! I get the concept however liberals have a way to spend around congress obviously!

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BEREAL64

Oct-18-13 2:07 PM

Did I refer to the term “progressive”, Bob? Don’t project your bias on me. Republicans use the same labels as this editorial to demean Democrats and glorify Republicans. It’s the same arrogance that you exhibit when you label yourself professing “constitutional individualism”. It’s an empty statement with the sole purpose to attempt to put your opinion above others. Instead of being fiscally conservative I would like both parties to be fiscally responsible. The statement of being fiscally conservative isn’t the issue, it’s the “nose in the air” arrogance when it is stated and lack of follow through to prove it.

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DaveGibson

Oct-18-13 2:26 PM

Fedup- in fiscal year 2009, the federal deficit was $1.41 trillion. In 2013, it was $642 billion, or 46% of what it was in 2009. I could give you multiple links to CBO reports, but this Washington Post article has many of the links in it- www dot washingtonpost dot com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/09/24/has-obama-cut-the-budget-deficit-in-half/

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DaveGibson

Oct-18-13 2:30 PM

TOT, your list is "waste" only to you. I look at most of the things on your list as good things, like green technology. The money spent on Healthcare dot gov isn't "wasted", its a necessary thing to get done so folks can sign up.

I'll tell you what's waste. Our military spending of almost $1 trillion a year. If you want to make some serious cuts to the budget, start with the biggest consumers of our tax dollars, not piddly little things like cash for clunkers.

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FedUp0416

Oct-18-13 2:49 PM

GIBSON - 2009 was his deficit. The last Bush deficit was 2008 and it was 407 billion. So 2013 wsa 642 BILLION and 2008 was 407 BILLION. Only a liberal could think 642 is a reduction from 407. Now I know you are going to say Obama inherited the Bush budget, but the facts just dont bear that out. Obama signed every continuing resolution in 2009. He could have NOT NEGOTIATED back then like he did recently. But he didnt. He signed them - He owns them. Also, Obmama has increased the deficit 5.089 TRILLION in his 5 years. Bush increased the deficit 4 trillion in his 8 years. Obama deficit pojected to be 22 TRILLION by the time he leaves. That would be 10 TRILLION during his eight years. HOW CAN THAT POSSIBLY BE BUSHES FAULT??? Why dont you liberals want to face the fact Obama MUST take responsibility.

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adkkev

Oct-18-13 3:36 PM

Mr Fed ... the last Bush budget was the 2009 budget and was signed into law by Obama in March 2009, nearly 6 months after the fiscal year had started. This budget (already passed by the House) had a deficit of $1.4 trillion. Regardless of who was president at the time it would have been difficult to trim spending in so short a time. Additionally the cost of the Iraq/Afghan wars were not in the Bush budget that was passed by the House; those $$ were spent through House appropriations, outside of the budget process. Here's question, why didn't Bush sign the budget when the House passed in June 2008? The first Obama budget (2010) had a deficit of $1.17 trillion AND included the $$ for the Iraq/Afghan wars. Fed fiscal year runs Oct1toSept30, hence the overlap between administrations. Remember too that revenues were down b/c of the recession. Neither political party has shown much restraint when it comes to spending.

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TiredOfTax

Oct-18-13 4:05 PM

U.S. debt jumped a record $328 billion on Thursday, the first day the federal government was able to borrow money under the deal President Obama and Congress sealed this week. The debt now equals $17.075 trillion, according to figures the Treasury Department posted online on Friday.

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Scarecrow57

Oct-18-13 4:38 PM

"cut the waste" is a catch phrase that means nothing. What "waste" would you cut?

Glad you asked.

1. Eliminate ALL subsidies; not just the ones you disagree with. At the same time, eliminate special interest tax breaks.

2. Merge redundant agencies and agencies with overlapping functions. Reduce the number of agencies.

3. Cut military spending by 75% over 10 ears. Do this through attrition and by closing all of our foreign bases. This isn't 1945 anymore.

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Scarecrow57

Oct-18-13 4:39 PM

"the last Bush budget was the 2009 budget and was signed into law by Obama in March 2009"

If it was signed by Obama then it is the Obama Budget. And BTW, it was the congress that created the budget.

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Scarecrow57

Oct-18-13 4:47 PM

OK, There are no Fiscal Conservatives, if there were there would be no TEA party. But hey, how about some common sense ways to reduce the cost of government. Simplify the tax code, eliminate all of the deductions. Now you can reduce the size of the IRS by 95%, including the 20,000 added to manage the ACA. While we are at it, look at cutting the size and scope of the EPA by at least 50%. What was once a useful organization has grown to the point of being useless. Claiming that CO2 is pollution is a kin to claiming O2 is pollution.

And let's face it, there are far too many pork projects. Eliminate them all.

Face it. for every $1 the government takes from the people the people get back 60 cents in services. Everything else goes to overhead.

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DaveGibson

Oct-18-13 4:48 PM

Fedup, Adkkev is spot on, particularly with the way the Iraq war was accounted for in the budget.

Consider too that Bush left Obama with the biggest recession in our country's history, along with tax cuts, which had a huge impact on deficits and the debt. Just by chance, I just read a great op-ed piece in the American Conservative. Check it out- www dt theamericanconservative dot com/articles/it-gets-worse-for-the-gop/

Also, you're using deficit in parts of your post that you mean debt. The two aren't the same.

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Scarecrow57

Oct-18-13 4:48 PM

BEREAL64 - You do realize it was the democrats in the Senate who aded the wage verification to the ACA right?

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Scarecrow57

Oct-18-13 4:49 PM

Ohh, another useless program - Headstart. Eliminate this baby sitting service for the crack hores

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TiredOfTax

Oct-18-13 9:04 PM

adkkev, remember reading all those posts that said that spending goes through the house... DEMOCRATS controlled the house during the time YOU say GWB is at fault. PLUS Pelosi wanted more MUCH more than George initially proposed to stimulate. So using YOUR logic it is still the DEMOCRATS that did the majority of this spending, as you have proven!

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rschweizer

Oct-19-13 2:46 AM

scarecrow, you can't and should not close foreign bases. you really, really can't.

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FedUp0416

Oct-19-13 5:38 AM

GIBSON - You are correct. Obamas annual DEFICIT adds to the ongoing DEBT that has now reached a level never seen before. Let me ask a question of all the progressive liberals out here: When does it become Obama's fault? You are quick to blame Bush for things but Obama walks on water. When does this president become responsible for Benghazi? AP Scandal? NSA snooping? IRS targeting? No Death Benefits for Troops during shutdown? Record number of Americans on Food Stamps? Median Income the lowest since 1996?National Debt at 103% of GDP? Why does your side refuse to pin anything on this man? If he isn't to blame for these, Who is?

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