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October 2, 2013

Americans ought to be clear on why some sectors of the federal government “shut down” Tuesday mornin....

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PleaseGetAClue

Oct-02-13 12:35 PM

make no mistake, the government was shut down because republicans, in an attempted strong-arm fashion REFUSE to allow a democratic president to accomplish what he sought to in an effort to gain momentum for a republican candidate to challenge for the presidency. A failed effort in all aspects and very transparent as well. They think we are all dumb.....

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PleaseGetAClue

Oct-02-13 12:41 PM

HEY, LH Editor, do some fact checking before you print something....Max Baucus DID NOT say "Obamacare is a trinwreck"> he actually said he fears Obamacare is HEADED for a trainwreck because "He said he's "very concerned" that new health insurance marketplaces for consumers and small businesses will not open on time in every state, and that if they do, they might just flop because residents don't have the information they need to make choices."

Quite a different meaning from the way you tried to portray the statement. Unbiased and truthful reporting? I think not. That's why I cancelled my subscription to your rag.

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moderation

Oct-02-13 12:43 PM

Best example of editorial laziness I have seen in a long time. Quotes out of context, selective memory and a complete ignorance of the facts expose this editorial writer for what he is--a partisan, amateurish hack.

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Pards13

Oct-02-13 12:55 PM

I guess we will have to wait and see if the train stays on the rails or not. I have a feeling this will be my own personal train wreck as I am the one who pays the premiums 100%.

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timezup

Oct-02-13 1:48 PM

Another slanted article because the Editor does not like our President. Look at the facts and figures today and see how many people have already signed up for affordable insurance. Aren't you tired of paying high premiums because of those who have no insurance? The fact of the matter is that Obamacare was already voted on. Republicans lost the battle. Move on and do your job! Give Obamacare a chance....it just may work. I changed political parties yesterday because of this nonsense. I was a Republican, but will not sit by and watch a bunch of spoiled, rich politicians tell the country they are looking out for us. Not when they take their paychecks away from them, but keep paying themselves. Our country should be embarassed by who we have representing us. We better hope that some other country does not try and take us over while we are at our weakest. TOTALLY DISGUSTING!!!

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TiredOfTax

Oct-02-13 2:01 PM

The reason this is an issue is because Obama is a hard headed loser. He will not compromise. This does NOT do a thing to limit the Obamacare roll out. It Does not limit the process of providing insurance to those that want to buy it... it simply allows the private individuals a year before they are FORCED TO PURCHASE INSURANCE AGAINST THEIR WILL! The real losers here are the public, brought to you exclusively by OBAMA!

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TiredOfTax

Oct-02-13 2:04 PM

This roll out is a TRAIN WRECK the exchanges are not ready, the program is not ready and the software is horrendous... Obama says he is pleased at the rough start and thinks the mistakes are a good thing, he would as he is a mistake!

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Patriot1

Oct-02-13 2:04 PM

Timezup is on the right track, but "spoiled, rich politicians" are to be found in both parties. In this particular instance, the "spoiled, rich politicians" in the Democrat arena gerrymandered and pressured to pass a bill which appears to be strongly rejected by a majority of citizens. In case memory has slipped, politicians exist to serve us - we do not exist to live under any and all laws which they conspire to ram through due to extremely heavy political lobbying. Look closely at whom you vote for - the country is suffering because of it, and the economy is not getting any better.

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Annarondac

Oct-02-13 2:12 PM

How is it that The House passed 4 different bills to the Senate, Reid refused to negotiate, the President will not negotiate and the Republicans came to the table today, with no Democrat to attend, and it's the Republicans fault? I'm sure George Bush also has something to do with this failure.

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PleaseGetAClue

Oct-02-13 2:31 PM

So...if Republicans are not to blame, then why are they all over TV today defending THIER choice to shut down government? (their own words, not mine) someone on the right please pick a story and stick to it.

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moderation

Oct-02-13 2:32 PM

The republicans were asked to participate in a conference committee 18 times prior to the shutdown and refused. Look it up. This was never a negotiation. It was a hostage taking.

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PleaseGetAClue

Oct-02-13 2:35 PM

And by the way TOT, your statement "The reason this is an issue is because Obama is a hard headed loser." may be the stupidest thing you EVER posted. This is Republitards response to Obama having his victory with Obamacare. He won and republicans are whining about it. Also TOT, you opbviously just spew rhetoric and don't check anything for yourself. I have been on the DOH website, it is very easy to use and to understand...where did you hear that the "software is horrendous"? you obviously didn't go check for yourself.

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PleaseGetAClue

Oct-02-13 2:36 PM

Well put "moderation" well put indeed.

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Pards13

Oct-02-13 2:52 PM

just because the websites are clogged does not mean people are signing up. Many are trying to see what it is all about. a week or two of this is not going to tell whether it is a success or failure. A year or two is necessary. The whole thing depends on young healthy people signing up. For me it appears to be a train wreck ( I personally pay more). Just remember the tax credits that are given to offset the costs can be taken away just as fast as they are given.

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drugsrus

Oct-02-13 3:02 PM

WOW, PleaseGetAClue, how often do you pray to your Soetoro statue??? You certainly have the lies and propaganda memorized. Too bad your savior is nothing but a liar and communist.

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DaveGibson

Oct-02-13 3:07 PM

The time for negotiation ended three years ago when the Affordable Care Act passed. The ACA is supported by its own taxes and is not part of the federal operating budget. There is nothing to negotiate.

We have established procedures for creating laws and executing them in this country, and even if we disagree with the final outcome, we've always come together as a nation and have moved forward. Republicans in the House have put an end to that.

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Pards13

Oct-02-13 3:19 PM

Oh joy of joys, I went to NY State of Health and signed on. Told them I would be good and then I sat and waited, and waited, and waited. I must have not been good because they put me in time out. So I signed out and went to CDPHP to check their rates. They were tardy because it said "coming soon". Oh the old train is gaining speed and heading down the hill to the corner, will it make it? Not for me. Looked at rates from blue shield family and I'm still looking for my socks. 1800 per month for gold. No gold for me. Maybe iron pyrite. Hey senate staffers how come you can't be part of this mess? I did not want a reduction in pay but it does not seem to matter.

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Pards13

Oct-02-13 3:29 PM

Alright Dave I give up. Where did you find the 1200 per year plan for two. I just looked at another HMO at Blue Shield and they wanted for family with 26 rider between 2700 and 3100 per month. Gee that seems affordable.

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PleaseGetAClue

Oct-02-13 3:46 PM

DRUGS...the same amount of times you sit and worship your Glenn Beck statue...did he tell you to say that as your response? same typical rhetoric we hear from you all the time when you have no logical comeback....you CERTAINLY have Glennspeak down pat. Keep studying him, that will get you far.

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PleaseGetAClue

Oct-02-13 3:57 PM

Pards, According to the exchange numbers (I have right in front of me)here is the cost for a monthly premium for two folks in this area through the exchange purchased by individuals: American Progressive: $980.74; CDPHP HMO: $956.44; Empire HMO: $872.30; Excellus: $974.52; Freelancers: $1039.32; Healthnow: $1049.36; HIPIC: $1231.44; MVPHP HMO: $767.53; NY Fidelis: $684.10

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drugsrus

Oct-02-13 4:01 PM

GetAClue, really??? So which is better, the ACA or Obamacare???? This farce is only legal because SCOTUS deemed it a tax, not a mandatory insurance purchase. Do burqas come in bright colors???

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Pards13

Oct-02-13 4:16 PM

Please, thanks for info now, which level and with or without credit? Also did you have to go through New York's website to get rates?

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Pards13

Oct-02-13 4:34 PM

I currently pay about 750 per month with a 5400 deductible. Bronze plan at Blue Shield for family is $1,315.88 with a family deductible of $6000. To me this is a 75% increase before any tax credit. I might be eligible for a tax credit of 375. My understanding is I will have to pay for this with after tax money. 15% FicA (I pay for both sides) 15% Fed and 4 State is 34 tax rate. In order to pay for this I have to earn about 1760 with a credit of 375 is a net of 1387. To me this is a personal train wreck as to the tune of over $6500. Wow. I guess I need to keep looking.

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PleaseGetAClue

Oct-02-13 4:48 PM

Sorry pard. I should have specified this is for Silver level coverage. All subsidies will be based on silver level coverage. These are the figures WITHOUT any credits deducted and if you qualify for tax credits, it will show you how much AFTER the application process. I got these figures directly from DOH when I met with them 3 weeks ago.

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PleaseGetAClue

Oct-02-13 4:50 PM

Pards, I do not claim to have all the facts, but I have some connections and I can ask for some clarity based on your numbers...if you don't mind that is.

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