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Meeting not about action

September 25, 2013

Worrying about whether Americans seeking advice about the national health care law will fall victims to identity theft seems to have been an afterthought for President Barack Obama....

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TiredOfTax

Sep-25-13 1:20 PM

For a bill that hasn't been read, hiring people to run it that haven't been background checked and all the inherent problems with what it does and does not cover... a government shut down would be a huge improvement! The fact of the matter is we would be farther ahead if we shut it down 5 years ago!

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Pards13

Sep-25-13 1:47 PM

Thanks but I will figure this mess out myself.

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Ron1960

Sep-25-13 1:59 PM

TOT, your so selfish that it sickens people. Your Republicans have had more than enough time to read the bill and offer to make changes that would make it better and they done nothing. Now you think that shutting down the government is the way to go, wake up and smell the coffee, what are you going to do when the people who depend on their social security checks and they do not get them, how about the people who are on disability also how about the local towns and cities and school districts that do not get their federal aid money on time.

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Patriot1

Sep-25-13 2:18 PM

Until November 2016, this administration will specialize in damage control and propaganda.

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Adirondackal

Sep-25-13 3:00 PM

Before he was installed as a state senator in Illinois, the only people who knew Barack Obama were George Soros and his minions. Soros, a former Nazi collaborator, is a billionaire whose investment portfolio wins when America loses. Obama's actions are not accidents.

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DaveGibson

Sep-25-13 4:01 PM

How many of you who are NOT government employees or on Medicare have health insurance? A show of hands? Probably most.

A few months late for me (I have $26,000 worth of medical bills sitting here), but I'll be able to buy insurance effective January 1st. It will cost me $1,259 for the silver plan. Not a month. Annually.

So all you government workers and people on Medicare who are opposed to Obamacare, what would you do if you lost your health insurance? And couldn't buy it? That's what one out of six of us faces right now.

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DaveGibson

Sep-25-13 4:03 PM

That should be "Probably most do not (have insurance).

BTW, if you want to find your Obamacare insurance premium, you can do so here - kff dot org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

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Annarondac

Sep-25-13 4:53 PM

If this was really about health care, wouldn't the government be hiring Doctors and Nurses rather than IRS agents who have a current history of not liking a sector of the population?

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MrBoB51

Sep-25-13 4:55 PM

Ron, people will still get their SS checks, the military will still be funded, non-essential personnel will be furloughed. The Govt is 'shut down' every weekend, heck, some snow and rain storms have shut the Govt down longer than than these types of actions. Check out the history of Govt. shutdowns and what actually happens, it's not about chaos, it's about who gets the blame. Period.

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MrBoB51

Sep-25-13 4:59 PM

Poor dave, complaining about HIS lack of planning for HIS own future. Cry me a friggin' river.

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MrBoB51

Sep-25-13 5:04 PM

Great point Anna but when travoncare is implemented, the Govt will already own Doctors and Nurses and ALL healthcare givers lock, stock and barrel. It's not about 'healthCARE', and everything about the control of the money dedicated to Americans HEALTH.

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yukonjack

Sep-25-13 5:59 PM

The level of ignorance and stupidity from Republicans and their neanderthal supporters has gone off the charts..Why do you dumb hate filled people stay in MY country and crap it all up with your ***inine ways?

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Annarondac

Sep-25-13 6:21 PM

YJ, It seems as if your the one with hate issues. This country IS about freedom to have our own beliefs and those people can be very passionate about them, but hating America is not how I feel, I love this country and will never let our freedoms be taken for granted. People who shut down speech are the ones that are crapping on America.

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TiredOfTax

Sep-25-13 7:21 PM

You can feel the love every time the lefties call us names... it is in their DNA to call for things for others to pay for while they figure a way to weasel a profit from it. Then tout it as a success and continue to hate and call names. Just feel the love!

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adkkev

Sep-25-13 9:20 PM

MrBob: please explain how the gov't will own healthcare workers, doctors, nurses, etc. Thank you.

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GReader

Sep-25-13 10:30 PM

How many of these anti-ACA posters have had any experience with family members whose employers do not offer health care benefits to their full-time employees?

At least Mr. Gibson is honest in his evaluation of the issue, based upon his personal situation. Other posters so easily condemn the new program, leaving one to wonder if they have ever faced the dilemma of having to choose which prescriptions to fill, or which medical appointments to cancel due to the cost factor.

Whatever happened to empathy? Has our country become so heartless that we would deny basic medical care for the less fortunate?

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DaveGibson

Sep-25-13 11:59 PM

GReader- I could be a poster child for Obama care.

I worked hard all my life, paid my taxes, and saved for retirement. I did all the "right things".

After a divorce, I was left with half of what I thought I'd have. OK, I can deal with that. I'll just pull in my horns a bit.

My new wife and I bought some land, and with our savings started building a little retirement place. And then I had a logging accident.

Through no fault of my own, I lost my health insurance. If my accident happened in ANY industrialized country but the US, it would not be a problem. But thanks to capitalism and US politics, it is a problem.

Halfway through our project of building our little homestead, I may need to take the money that I'd saved for shelter and give it to greedy medial companies who overcharge for substandard care and equipment.

But according to TOT and MrBob, that's the American way. And I GUARANTEE YOU that they have health insurance provided by taxpayers. I guarantee.

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drugsrus

Sep-26-13 1:07 AM

Dave, like I keep asking - Where was the outrage in 1986 when Reagan mentioned that healthcare costs have outpaced inflation by 25 times ? And we have good ol' Tricky Dick Nixon to blame for the massive for profit healthcare system of HMOs . Obummers great numbers have been proven to be voodoo math

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GReader

Sep-26-13 4:22 AM

Dave,

I appreciate - as should all of the readers of these comments - your transparency with regard to your situation.

It seems clear that those who have not experienced the frightening prospects of the lack of health insurance (I have, and it certainly serves to color one's view of this whole issue) should really take the time to reflect upon how they would feel if faced with such a prospect. To be told that NO pre-existing conditions will be covered; that deductibles will far surpass even the highest premium costs; that there is a dearth of participating doctors in your area; and to be forced to ration one's care due to costs: All of these are very real nightmares being faced by too many of our citizens.

I so want to believe that those who would deny ACA to others do so only because they have not walked in the shoes of those who who have faced these realities. To explain such opposition otherwise is to suggest an inhumanity that beyond my ability to comprehend.

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DaveGibson

Sep-26-13 6:17 AM

GReader, this is an issue that is near and dear to my heart. Those that know me, know of my passion to reform American health care. I've been a proponent of it for decades. I just never thought I'd be a perfect example.

There are those that say, "Anyone can get health care in America. Just go to the emergency room. They have to take care of you."

Seriously? What if I need surgery performed by a spine specialist? Can I get that in the ER? No? Oh,then can I just ask Dr. Carl to operate pro bono if I can't pay him then?

According to MrBob, TOT, and others is that my situation is due to lack of planning. As I posted earlier, I guarantee you that these people have government jobs and insurance paid for by taxpayers. They are insulated from the real world. With our taxes being what they are, they shouldn't get too comfortable with their silver plated government benefits.

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MrBoB51

Sep-26-13 7:50 AM

Really Mr Poster Child? I pay my own way, why do you go ahead and PROVE I DON'T. This is a lesson for you young liberals, you can have your pipe dreams and expect somebody else will take care of you but in the end you'll end up with nothing more than anger and complaints like dave. Go ahead, rely on somebody else.

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Ron1960

Sep-26-13 7:51 AM

I get a kick out of these people who are against ACA they complain that they will have to pay for those who can not afford health insurance, they also with out any proof of what the cost will be. But the funny part is that these same people refuse to take any action about how much they are already paying for the teachers health insurance and they make enough to afford the insurance, then what about the health insurance the our national elected officials and state elected officials who get the best possible health insurance program available and when they leave office they take that insurance with them for life, also right here at the local level there are many city, town and county elected officials also get their health insurance free for life after only working at a part time job for only a few short years. So where is the out rage about these things?

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MrBoB51

Sep-26-13 7:58 AM

Happy to adkkev, the Govt will dictate their earnings, not the Free Market. Obamacare is not about health CARE, it's a payment mechanism where the Govt controls who gets what and how much.

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MrBoB51

Sep-26-13 8:16 AM

Ignore yukon Anna, the only thing liberals share, other than other peoples money, is their hate, anger and limited vocabulary. Time for another entry from the Progressive Dictionary. 'Compassion' (noun): "I love me".

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TiredOfTax

Sep-26-13 8:17 AM

Forbes dot com... Lost: $67 Million. If Found, Please Return To IRS Comment Now Follow Comments Hoo boy…this isn’t going to go over well.

The IRS has seen its summer from*****extended into autumn, as a report issued today by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) revealed that the Service cannot account for $67 million that was set aside in a slush fund to help pay for Obamacare.

I am sure that this is an isolated incident. The government is here to help you! Yeah right! Thieves in charge results in thefts... imagine!

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