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Obama must enforce law

August 23, 2013

State legislators from throughout the nation heard a stern lecture from Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius last week....

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Scarecrow57

Aug-23-13 12:01 PM

Excellent Commentary!!! I have said all along Obama does not have the authority to change the law without an act of congress. I suspect the legal beagles are sitting in wait for the day the employer mandate is supposed to take affect. They will then file to either have the law nullified or the individual mandate postponed as well.

Obama really screwed the middle class with this one. Now instead of getting health insurance from the employer they now have to pay out of pocket. Let's hope these people vote and remember in 2014 and 2016.

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Ron1960

Aug-23-13 12:22 PM

I do not understand how our country can be so bad. When you read the posts here and with all these people who have never served in any elected office and really know very little the problems are that our government leaders must deal with. Just think if all those who post here and tell us what and who is/or did something right or wrong if they would run for office and get themselves elected with their vast intelligence they could turn our country around in a matter of days and we would all be just that much better off. I did not realize that we had so many intelligent people here in our local area.

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DaveGibson

Aug-23-13 12:38 PM

In July, House Republicans voted 264 to 161 to delay the insurance mandate for businesses with 50 or more employers. Why didn't this editor mention that in his Obama blaming editorial?

It is also not uncommon for a president to delay the implementation of a law, especially a complicated one like the ACA. It's been done many times by both Republican and Democrat presidents.

Where was this editor's outrage when George Bush signed statements saying he would refuse to enforce laws passed by Congress? In particular, a law banning torture at US detention centers. That was OK, but delaying the implementation of the insurance mandate is not?

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rschweizer

Aug-23-13 12:48 PM

DaveGibson hit the nail on the head.

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BillLair

Aug-23-13 12:48 PM

Dave, some examples please of presidents delaying the implementation of laws that they lobbied for and forced down the throats of the majority of Americans who were opposed. This is a law that he and his minions passed without reading and now they are finding it can not be implemented as written, passed and signed by its most ardent proponent.

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Scarecrow57

Aug-23-13 12:56 PM

Dave. Do you understand how laws are made? The congress passes them and the President signs them. The President does not get to change the law once it is law without an act of congress. Please provide other instances where laws were changed by the President. Seriously, if this is the case then the next president could end all mandates.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-23-13 2:02 PM

Obamacare is the single most disliked legislation in the history of the USA. It was done in a partisan way even poking at the opposition with some of its provisions to antagonize as many as they could. Congress can pass anything they want, the house has voted around 38 times to repeal Obamacare, I wish it mattered. But they cannot get it done without the senate and the president. In this case we have 2 out of three branches acting as obstructionists. I do hope that my spelling and syntax pass your progressive scrutiny so as not to bollix my entire post as you say "It's hard to take anyone seriously who misspells"

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Scarecrow57

Aug-23-13 3:25 PM

And yes, the house voted to delay both the Individual mandate and the employer mandate by one year. it went to the Senate and ended up Harry - Do Nothing - Reid's desk. Obama, the fool that he is, said he would not sign the legislation. Democrats thus proved they are catering to big business and ignoring the little guys.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-23-13 5:20 PM

Apparently you cannot fix stupid... "Well, the (Obamacare) bill is crafted in such a way that those who are undocumented will not have access to the tax credits or shopping in the (health insurance) marketplace. That has been limited, which is, frankly, why -- another very keen reason why we need comprehensive immigration reform," Sebelius told a gathering of Latinos in Philadelphia.

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DaveGibson

Aug-23-13 6:13 PM

George Bush issued 800 signing statement Constitutional challenges in the eight years he was president, more than all previous presidents combined. All presidents have issued signing statements, including Obama. If you're not familiar with them, read this - www dot law dot georgetown dot edu/library/research/guides/presidentialsigningstatements.cfm.

Bush was famous for stating that he wouldn't enforce many laws passed by Congress. Besides the ban on torture, Bush also refused to comply with the reporting requirements of the Patriot Act, and many others.

Obama isn't refusing to enact the ACA, he's delaying portions of it to make sure it's done fairly and correctly.

Once again, this corporate editor has shown himself to be sadly lacking in the understanding of American politics and resorts to simple Obama bashing.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-23-13 7:35 PM

It has been a busy week for Obama's sons...

Spokane police arrested one 16-year-old boy and are looking for another in connection with the beating death of an 88-year-old World War II veteran this week, authorities said Friday. The arrested teen has been charged with first-degree robbery and first-degree murder. Police said they're looking for the other suspect, named by police as Kenan Adams-Kinard, 16. Police said the victim -- Delbert Belton -- was beaten and left for dead by two teens outside a lounge in Spokane, Washington, where he loved to go play pool.

On August 16, a 23-year-old Australian baseball player attending college in Oklahoma was gunned down in the town of Duncan. The suspects followed Chris Lane, 22, as he jogged alongside a road in Duncan, Okla., Friday afternoon, shot him in the back and left him to die on the side of the road, said Duncan police Chief Danny Ford. "They were bored and just wanted to see somebody die,"

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BillLair

Aug-23-13 8:08 PM

Well, Dave, I took your advice and did some quick research on "signing statements." The very first source I looked at said GWB did not sign 800 statements, more like 150, and Clinton signed more than any other president in our history. Furthermore signing statements do not necessarily mean the president faulted the legislation, but may also be nothing more than an explanation of why it was signed, or praise for the legislation. I didn't bother to do any additonal research.

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Scarecrow57

Aug-24-13 6:53 AM

Gee Dave, We aren't talking about Bush. By your logic since Democrats have lead us into many wars (WWi, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, Yugoslavia, Libya, etc) then Republicans should do the same

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DaveGibson

Aug-24-13 7:01 AM

And there you go, Bill. That's your problem. I said "800 Constitutional challenges", not 800 signing statements. Those were contained within signing statements. Since the editorial was about enforcing laws, the real issue isn't the number of signing statements, but rather the number of Constitutional challenges and the refusal to enforce laws passed by Congress.

TiredOfTax- your racism is showing. This editorial isn't about "Obama's sons" as you call them. What is your problem? Can't you stay on topic?

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MrBoB51

Aug-24-13 8:30 AM

"It is also not uncommon for a president to delay the implementation of a law, especially a complicated one like the ACA." I'm not going to let you get away with that dave, Please state your source and examples.

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BillLair

Aug-24-13 8:31 AM

And there you go, Dave. This is your problem. Whenever Obama is criticized you are one of the first to begin yelping, "Bush did it too." Let me remind you that Obama was elected on a "slogan" of "hope and change." Does that not mean changing what Bush and/or any other president did and doing it a different and better way? Hopeless change is what we got and will have until he leaves office.

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MrBoB51

Aug-24-13 8:34 AM

DaveGibson hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately the nail was in his foot. Sound sorta familiar rs??

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yukonjack

Aug-24-13 8:42 AM

This was Obama's mistake for compromising with the disfunctional Republican Party...The original plan was to create a single payer system..GOP ****** all over that..yet had no better plan to help Americans without HC...The enemy of America in DC is lead by Republican ignorant politicians,followed sheepily by weak Democrats...Mid term elections should rid US of the tea bag morons but I would hold my breathe on that one..

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TiredOfTax

Aug-24-13 8:56 AM

Yuk... we will see, we will see. Nice to see your respecting, peace loving and compassionate side finally brought out to the surface. I appreciate your exemplification of your progressive party!

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laker88

Aug-24-13 10:29 AM

and to add to that Yukon, I don't know why Obama compromised in the first place, no matter what was in the end result, the repubs wouldn't have supported it anyway.

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Fondagirl

Aug-24-13 1:22 PM

The editor should educate himself before he offers opinions on national issues. If we wanted to hear the Fox News line, we would just turn on the TV. He should stick to local issues he may know something about!

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MrBoB51

Aug-24-13 2:41 PM

Why do you watch FOX Fondagirl? It really is a waste of time but a lot of liberals who post here watch FOX on a regular basis, otherwise how would they know what FOX reports?

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MrBoB51

Aug-24-13 3:14 PM

Yukon, congratulations! You got the republican point on obamacare and you don't even know it!!! Bwahahaha!!!! Let me help you out... Republicans will never offer a Govt. run health care system, that's why Republicans have no 'plan' to compete with you on that field! They are ALL Private Sector Free Market solutions. That's one reason obamacare is falling apart. Many States and the Private Sector don't want to have any part of this garbage. Since liberals choke on the free enterprise system, they'll dismiss anything that isn't Govt. sanctioned, operated and controlled. Liberals need victims to 'help' them help themselves to everybody else's stuff including the Medical communities time and skills. Republicans only want to help people to help themselves succeed..period. Liberals win that argument because the lazy way is easier, on your own is tough and we have a Country full of lazy moochers with more and more breaking into our Country to leech off taxpaying Americans every day.

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DaveGibson

Aug-24-13 7:10 PM

MrBob, do you have issues with internet search engines? Just google "president signing statements" and you'll find everything you need to know, such as www dot theatlantic dot com/national/archive/2013/07/delaying-parts-of-obamacare-blatantly-illegal-or-routine-adjustment/277873/

I also found this statement by you confusing- "Republicans will never offer a Govt. run health care system, that's why Republicans have no 'plan' to compete with you on that field! They are ALL Private Sector Free Market solutions."

Isn't that exactly what Obamacare is? Everyone must purchase health insurance on the free market. There is nothing "government run" about it that I can see. Please explain.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-25-13 8:59 AM

Gee it seems totally fair when you have to buy a product that is mandated by the federal government. Not because they want you to have insurance coverage... no it is because we must pay for the stay at home on the government's welfare system to get the cadillac plan that even the payers may not afford. Here is the kicker. If you are too lazy to preform work at all and accrue nothing of any value your entire life, even if due to drugs or alcohol you qualify for even more benefits than you already receive called OBAMACARE! There is no great reward for you that paid for your entire existence your entire life! It is for the people that do not want to step up to do the right thing or have made their life a mistake that WE have got to finish paying for... yep Obamacare is not for the working masses, it isn't to help you at all. Unless you are already on that social train or a brand new arrival from a foreign country, then your golden!!

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