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Joint effort best path

August 22, 2013

If our local area is going to bring in more jobs and people, local municipalities must work together....

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Ron1960

Aug-22-13 11:35 AM

Just another study that will cost the local taxpayers and will more than likely cost more to implement than the local taxpayers can afford like the study for the new road from the thruway to FC. If our local EDC would get off the dime and do the job they are there to do we would have jobs here and less poverty. But the local taxpayer just keep shelling out money to the EDC and we get very little if anything in return. Our local taxpayers just sit back and take no action to try and stop this bull crap, WHY?

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timezup

Aug-22-13 12:28 PM

Another big waste of money for both cities. Downtown will never again prosper as long as storeowners keep the same mentality. You have got to be open for the public to shop! If you are a working person, that means you can't shop on Main St. in either city. Closing the doors at 5:00 is one of the biggest problems. I can get out of work and drive to a mall in Albany and shop, but cannot drive a few blocks to Main St. and shop. When a person has to take off from work early to shop on Main Street, there is something wrong with this picture. Sorry, I will continue to shope elsewhere until the storeowners stop whining and start doing something to solve the problem. DON'T CLOSE YOUR DOORS AT 5:00pm!!!!!

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MrBoB51

Aug-22-13 1:08 PM

Notice that there is no Public Sector ability to provide this information, it all comes from Private Sector Consultants. With that in mind lets see, 400k gets you profiles, updates, analysis, studies, more analysis, even more studies. All for what? To tell both Cities if, when all is said and done, they don't consolidate they're both done, finished, kaput? There, I just saved NYS taxpayers 400 Grand. Since I still have my shingle I'll give the Cities a break and only charge 5% of the 10% it would have cost the city's taxpayers anyway. See how much I've saved you already!!!? Yeah, I was in the 'studies and analysis' game for a long time earning Private Sector $$$. The rules are different, e.g.: detail what needs to be done, get it done, prove it's value. The difference is those who ply their trade to the Public sector are 'rewarded' much better while providing volumes of nebulous propositions, 'visions' and assumptions left to someone else to implement. It's your money though.

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Pards13

Aug-22-13 4:16 PM

In order for a downtown to thrive (not survive)it needs to be convenient, competitive,offer something that people want, and a clientele that has the ability to buy.That's a tall order for most downtowns.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-22-13 6:16 PM

Hey I am thinking that if progressives get their way we will need a fully functional downtown ti will be vital when we have to walk to the store and carry everything home. When they will no longer allow you to use fossil fuels to drive we are going to need a close well stocked area to get essentials needed for survival... Houses will not be warm and it will also be quite a trek to a hospital because this one nearby will be way to costly to maintain but healthcare however free of charge.

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DaveGibson

Aug-22-13 8:24 PM

I totally agree, Timezup. I fought that battle downtown for years.

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TheArchitect

Aug-22-13 10:44 PM

"timezup" agreed, but there is more than being open at convenient times for customers, the businesses have to offer a quality product, at a competitive price, and have knowledgeable staff. Your year’s downtown Glove Cities businesses have failed miserably to fulfill these fundamental needs. This has sealed their fate. Customer's easily found a better or similar product at a lower price, and most importantly, better service elsewhere. The few businesses that are still thriving know how to adapt their operation taking account of these fundamentatls. The rest have closed their doors, the ultimate illustration of failure.

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downtownguy

Aug-23-13 12:10 AM

As usual, the comments here drifted off topic. That being said, I will continue to digress along with the typically self-righteous, opinionated, misinformed, genius posters on this blog. First to Timezup. It's hard to take anyone seriously who spells shop as "shope." This whining store owner has been open past 5 for nearly 30 years.

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downtownguy

Aug-23-13 12:10 AM

To TheArchitect: Better service? Bite me! No one has ever provided better service with more knowledgeable staff than us. Our actual (not you, apparently) customers will attest to that. We will stay later with a phone call; we provide information and help with products that have been bought elsewhere, and we repair the sometimes unrepairable. Our quality of product is generally high, despite the fact that few here can afford high end products, as Pards13 seems to understand. (Thanks, Pards. True.) The true committed downtowner works hard, longer, and with less profit providing the service and help the community needs, and we can only do so with your support.

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downtownguy

Aug-23-13 12:11 AM

As usual, the comments here drifted off topic. That being said, I will continue to digress along with the typically self-righteous, opinionated, misinformed, genius posters on this blog. First to Timezup. It's hard to take anyone seriously who spells shop as "shope." This whining store owner has been open past 5 for nearly 30 years.

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downtownguy

Aug-23-13 12:23 AM

Apologies for the second "as usual" post. I had forgotten to post the second half first. I reposted for continuity.

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rschweizer

Aug-23-13 1:36 AM

downtown, I agree with you; but I do have to take a stab at your chastising Timez for misspelling 'shope' when you said 'unrepairable'. Surely you meant 'irreparable'.

Don't come with that 'I just Googled 'unrepairable' and it came up in search results' crap.

Speak English correctly.

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DaveGibson

Aug-23-13 6:33 AM

Downtownguy- spot on. Still have my Guild.

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Ron1960

Aug-23-13 7:11 AM

I get a kick out of many people who think that they get a better deal by 50 miles away. traveling to Albany, Saratoga and other places. this just proves how dumb some people are they never take into consideration how much it cost them to travel to these other areas, first there is the extra cost of gas, and the unintended expense of purchasing thins they had not planned to, then the cost of stopping for snacks and/or lunch, plus the extra wear on the vehicle, plus the chance of being involved in a traffic accident because of the heavier traffic or the need to travel extra mile due to a detour because of some emergency. Then when you need service you need to travel the extra mileage and in many cases be with out you product for several days and that just adds to your expense. I have always tried to purchase locally and have had very little problem getting good service at a fair price with friendly people. These people who travel to other areas to spend their money do not think a

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Ron1960

Aug-23-13 7:13 AM

about the fact that the sales tax stays in the other place, and yes I do understand that when you purchase a vehicle the sales tax on that vehicle does go to the zip code where the purchaser lives.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-23-13 7:18 AM

downtownguy, nice spelling check. I suppose it is hard to get the point when your grasp of English is limited to only the correctly spelled and published in proper grammatical style. I hope others will become more sensitive to your special needs.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-23-13 7:22 AM

RS, now for once I agree, you are SPOT on! Dave... agree away grammar nazi!

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MrBoB51

Aug-23-13 8:58 AM

"Better service? Bite me!" Well, I guess that about sums up the downtown problem. "typically self-righteous, opinionated, misinformed, genius posters on this blog." Hey pal, you fit right in, welcome to the conversation!

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MrBoB51

Aug-23-13 8:59 AM

I've noticed rs has been reduced to correcting everybody's grammer except his own. Are you finally giving up your 'lawyer' act in favor of proofreading? I hope someday you'll discover something you're good at, other than BS. Until then....

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MrBoB51

Aug-23-13 9:15 AM

You're right Ron, but sometimes, 'a cigar is just a cigar'; Americans like taking rides. Rides to go shopping, rides to get lost for the day, rides to another State just for the heck of it because we can. We're a mobile Country and we do not like to be herded in a certain direction.

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taxtired

Aug-23-13 9:15 AM

Mr Bob; rs is a chemist today

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downtownguy

Aug-23-13 9:16 AM

I appreciate the correction, however I did not use the word irreparable as you suggest, because of the following. Irreparable via Merriam Webster is generally contextually used as in "irreparable relationship" or as in "The storm did irreparable damage to the environment." Unrepairable via Random House 2013 is contextually used to mean broken beyond repair, which was my intent because it more accurately reflected my meaning, and it reads better. Merriam Webster does not acknowledge the word. I do not use spell check; it is often wrong.I will use "not repairable" from this point forward to avoid confusion. Of course spelling was not the focus of the original post.

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Ron1960

Aug-23-13 9:34 AM

Mr. BOB, I agree that we are a mobile and it is nice to just take a ride from time to time, and if when your on that ride you find a good deal I have nothing against that. My gripe is with those who refuse to shop locally and just go on daily trips just to shop at other places.

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MrBoB51

Aug-23-13 10:26 AM

Ron, take it up with downtownguy. "Better service? Bite me!" is why people avoid downtown like they would avoid the plague. Does that represent the attitude of all the downtown merchants? Those four words are going to come back to bite you in the wallet sir. I hope the other merchants properly thank you for the black eye and disservice of alienating their potential customers too.

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Annarondac

Aug-23-13 10:41 AM

One downtown business was berating a political party during an important election, under that business's name on a social media forum. Needless to say, the berated party made it known, that if a person is of a certain party, they are not welcomed in that business. Putting forth a positive and welcoming front brings in business, more than tearing down people. I think that goes for bringing on consolidation. This may be a step to our cities finally working together and starting a new era.

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