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‘Obamacare’ raising costs

August 19, 2013

Health insurance will be cheaper, we were assured. If you like the policy you have, you’ll be able to keep it, President Barack Obama insiste....

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NottaPinko

Aug-19-13 11:22 AM

UNFORTUNATELY....... The "Affordable Healthcare Act" (yeah right)..... IS working just as it's designers intended it to. Our problem is not "Obamacare" but is the scum WE elected to look out for us.

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bleekerbob

Aug-19-13 12:11 PM

This administration has done nothing but lie to us ,spy on us and robbed us and thats both dem. and rep.We have got to get rid of all of them and put fresh faces in government that will protect the peoples interest not the corperations.

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MrBoB51

Aug-19-13 12:19 PM

Early on Obama told us his goal...a single payer (Govt) health system. We did not listen. 18,000 pages of wtf were cobbled together, passed by highly dubious means and suddenly 1/6 of the economy was in danger and BANG, we followed the bouncing media 'ball of despair' righteously condemning a huge Govt intrusion and a host of other indignities designed to keep our attention and focus away from the REAL prize...chaos (check), confusion (check) social unrest (double check). Now, wait for it; liberals will start to dislike this unworkable system (check) and ride in on a white horse to proclaim that the ONLY way out of this mess is to institute a Single Payer Govt. Health Plan. Yup, Obama told us, we did not listen.

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adkkev

Aug-19-13 12:26 PM

MrBob-what's your objection to a single payer system? What if Medicare was open for everyone as the single payer system?

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Pards13

Aug-19-13 1:15 PM

I'm not sure that Medicare is a single payer system any more. With the introduction of all the supplements with $0 cost to 300 to 400 supplements I believe that can no longer be a single payer. For myself I am not ready for cradle to grave government largess (something given to someone without expectation of a return). I do believe that the government does expect something in return and that is blind obedience.

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Pards13

Aug-19-13 1:37 PM

I have no objections for single payer as long as it is for everyone, no exceptions for anyone, especially politicians. I doubt they go for it.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-19-13 1:56 PM

The liar in chief as well as his supporting clown cast lied. Not only is healthcare now less affordable millions of full time employees that had healthcare provided by their employers have been cut to part time and lost their now too expensive health insurance. It was written poorly with partisan ideas that do not stand a snowballs chance in the hereafter of lasting. It has to be scrapped and redone in true bipartisan fashion or if they cannot just scrapped!

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adkkev

Aug-19-13 2:35 PM

Pards: Medicare itself is still a single payer system. The supplements are insurance programs provided by private insurance companies to "supplement" the Medicare program's coverage. And ToT: the ACA was modeled upon an old Republican plan from the 90s with a bit of the MA plan mixed in (RomneyCare). And you are correct, it was poorly written and catered to the insurance industry (they were going to gain business). Should have been a single payer system from the start.

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IndieThinker

Aug-19-13 4:01 PM

Once again this Republican led publication tries to mislead people with half truths.

Some lightly regulated states, including Indiana, Ohio, Florida and South Carolina, have recently released preliminary rate information highlighting steep price increases. Unlike the blue states of California and New York, these are Republican-led states that have strongly opposed the Affordable Care Act, as Obamacare is officially known.

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Pards13

Aug-19-13 4:06 PM

I will repeat my original statement. Single payer for all is fine. Single payer for everyone but the elites (politicos and cronies)NO WAY. Good enough for them good enough for me.

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MrBoB51

Aug-19-13 4:47 PM

Medicare is a restricted single payer program. It is not free, you pay Monthly into Plans A&B plus whatever supplemental plans you can afford and are responsible for 20% of the approved Medicare charges. Example: heart surgery: $100,000, your out of pocket cost(without suppl. ins.); at least $20,000. Adkkev, don't ask me, ask people from Canada why they come to the US for care? Or ask someone from England? How about asking a Russian, or an Aussie? Liberals complain Reps. have no competing plan to offer, of course we don't! We are NOT interested in Govt. control of any part of the Free Market so we will NEVER offer anything that isn't Free Market and people based, therefore to liberals, Repubs/Conservatives "have no plan". Show me the book of "Outstanding Socialized Medicine Outcomes and The Doctors who Made it Happen".

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Ron1960

Aug-19-13 4:48 PM

I get a kick out of these people who are against Obama care they are all complaining about the fact that they claim they will have to pay for those who will not work. To bad these people donot understand that they are right now paying a very large amount of health insurance premiums for the school teachers, teachers only pay 15 to 16 percent of their health care premiums and you the tax payer pay the balance, then you have the elected officials who get health insurance free for life after only a few years of service. But these people that post here and complain about Obama care is costing them for people who will not work the teachers and most all of our elected officials can afford to pay all their health insurance cost. Most people who work and get health insurance from their employer most of the time pay 25% or more of the premiums and the employer pays the rest.

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Pards13

Aug-19-13 5:06 PM

I pay for my own insurance. $9000 per year plus 5400 family deductible. In a good year it might cost me 12000 in a bad year the sky is the limit. Actually out of pocket limits are around 8k. My point is I pay it. Yes I get a deduction but most health care premiums are before tax. I've gone to the meetings and my insurance looks like it will go up. The quality of the plan will go down. At this point no one is sure.The one thing I am sure about is I will lose in this game. Mr. President, single payer is fine as long as it is the same health care for me as it is for your daughters other wise leave it alone. Thank you.

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MrBoB51

Aug-19-13 6:09 PM

Any Single payer plan is not fine with me. 'Single payer' is a funding method, not a health CARE system. Treatment is free at the point of need and paid for by general taxation, in other words, EVERYBODY then pays what is now called insurance premiums. The Govt collects the fees and then pays the medical providers. Who then do the doctors work for??? Not themselves any longer. Good bye incentive and quality care, good bye MORE small business'. No, single payer is not fine.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-19-13 6:18 PM

Democrats strong-armed Obamacare into law three years ago. Now they're busy flouting it. The mandate that employers provide insurance next year or pay a penalty, as the law requires? Delayed for at least a year.The law's dictate that people applying for federal subsidies to buy insurance provide proof that they're eligible for the government aid? Scaled back. Sharp limits on Americans' out-of-pocket costs for health care? Suspended for a year.Providing members of Congress and more than 10,000 staff members with federal health care subsidies that the law does not allow? Done, via a deal brokered by President Barack Obama. As the open enrollment implementation date of October 1 approaches, the pressure on Republicans to do whatever it takes to defund the Affordable Care Act has been mounting. The fact that an Obama-friendly paper (the Trib endorsed Obama in 2008 and 2012) like the Chicago Tribune has joined the chorus of those wanting Obamacare scrapped.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-19-13 6:21 PM

IndieThinker, the reason NYS is not facing as huge a rise in healthcare prices right now because of Obamacare is because OUR democrat controlled blue state already has the highest rates in the nation... just like all the other BLUE states!

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rschweizer

Aug-19-13 6:35 PM

Sigh. Another LH anti-Obamacare 'editorial.'

"That means millions of families paying more for government-approved health insurance they don't want."

Where did the LH gather that 'fact' in the second statement, the one that says 'they don't want'? Where did they learn this? I've never, EVER read about anyone who couldn't afford healthcare say that they weren't thrilled to finally be able to get it.

And those that can afford it and have it won't need to change anything- so what gives?

Oh, right, the LH genera are at it again...

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rschweizer

Aug-19-13 6:38 PM

Also, just because Kaiser is a non-partisan org, doesn't mean they don't have an interest in pushing the anti-Obamacare agenda.

If you remember (you probably don't because of that allergy to fact you have), Mr. Kaiser and Kaiser-Permanente was the group that pushed for HEALTHCARE INSURANCE under a scu-mbag mentally ill president named Richard Nixon, who wanted a middle man to make billions off peoples' health.

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rschweizer

Aug-19-13 6:45 PM

"ask people from Canada why they come to the US for care"...

Bobby, I've never heard of such a thing. In fact, I've heard the opposite: that Americans go to Canada for treatment ad elective procedures because they're the same but a fraction of the cost (except the doctors here have 'protested' by refusing to treat patients post-operatively) and also of Canadians buying supplemental or travel insurance to their gov plans for when they travel to the US. That's pretty pathetic.

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rschweizer

Aug-19-13 6:47 PM

TiredOfTax, just stop. You can't simply make up stuff when you don't know the answer.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-19-13 7:00 PM

OH mighty one please tell me what part is made up! You are the progressive liar, not me!

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yukonjack

Aug-19-13 7:04 PM

If the Republicans think this is such a flawed plan(they wrote it so they should know) then QUIT voting to repeal something you don't have enough votes to win..Countless hours have been wasted by the DO NOTHING Party just to make a Democrat President look bad..If people had brains there wouldn't be Republicans like this...Judging by the neaderthal-like responses here we have (TOO MANY) neaderthals here!Anyone who believes government doesn't or should be involved in this country is an IDIOT!!

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TiredOfTax

Aug-19-13 7:31 PM

There is a huge difference between being involved and total control. Anyone that thinks government is the answer to everything is quite dense. Have you ever read anything before you type of do you simply believe the party line rhetoric that MSNBC or progressive today feeds you every day? There is nothing phony about the scandals except their denial by the wrongdoers. Now there are the phonies!

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TiredOfTax

Aug-19-13 7:35 PM

In recent months, President Obama and his subordinates have waived or delayed a number of Obamacare’s notable features, such as the law’s employer mandate, and its procedures for protecting taxpayers from fraud and identity theft. Earlier this month, in that context, I obtained a heretofore-unpublished memorandum from the Congressional Research Service. The CRS, Congress’ non-partisan in-house think tank, compiled 82 deadlines that the Affordable Care Act mandates upon the first three years of its own implementation. Remarkably, it turns out that the White House has missed half of the deadlines legally required by the ACA. And some of those deadlines remain unmet to this day.

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TiredOfTax

Aug-19-13 7:43 PM

CANADA is not trouble free healthcare! Aside from the problems inherent in all monopolies, the fact that health services are free leads to familiar economic consequences. Basic economics tells us that if a commodity is offered at zero price, demand will increase, supply will drop, and a shortage will develop.

During the first four years of hospitalization insurance in Quebec, government expenditures on this program doubled. Since the introduction of comprehensive public health insurance in 1970, public expenditures for medical services per capita have grown at an annual rate of 9.4 per cent. According to one study, 60 per cent of this increase represented a real increase in consumption.[1]

There has been much talk of people abusing the system, such as using hospitals as nursing homes. But then, on what basis can we talk of abusing something that carries no price?

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