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July 28, 2013

As the opening of the new Walmart Supercenter in Gloversville approaches, there’s reason for optimism in the cit....

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DaveGibson

Jul-28-13 8:57 AM

I'm not going to get into the overall negative impact of a Walmart super center on the community. That's a well known problem.

But regarding downtown, nothing has really changed. Downtown is, and will continue to be, a great place for mom and pop businesses to thrive. The rents are reasonable, making it a good location for new start-ups. Perhaps the city could help by subsidizing rent for new businesses. The sales tax generated by retail businesses would more than offset the subsidy.

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Knickman

Jul-28-13 11:17 AM

I hope the police department is prepared and staffed to handle all of the shoplifting cases that will come about.

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drugsrus

Jul-28-13 11:21 AM

really Dave??? and just how do "Mom & Pop" stores compete with the pricing at Wallyworld ??? Most consumers buy on price only.

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DaveGibson

Jul-28-13 11:29 AM

Drugs- Walmart doesn't have the lowest prices around. They used to claim they had the lowest prices, but had to change their motto to "everyday low prices" when sued.

Second, mom and pop stores usually don't sell junk. Does Walmart's jewelry department compete with Castiglione's Jewelers? Does Walmart's mens department compete with Dunday's? Will Walmart's groceries compete with the Mohawk Valley Coop? No.

Downtown shops also offer mechandise not available at Walmart, like antiques.

When you shop at a mom and pop shop, you get quality, you get service, and you get their knowledge.

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MrBoB51

Jul-28-13 12:47 PM

No dave, you're opinion of walmart being an overall negative impact on a Community is not a well know problem, it may be in your liberal world for whatever reason but it is still only your OPINION and you're unwilling or unable to qualify your own opinion? Why is that dave, do you really expect me to take your opinion as gospel? That crap is for other liberal acolytes, to me it's another challenge and opportunity to squash your liberal/progressive BS assumptions. Why are you so against low prices and consumer choice? Maybe because liberals want to control those choices and you can't so you don't like it and you rail against free enterprise. If you don't like shopping at walmart then don't. You're free to shop where you want JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE dave. So save your holier-than-thou liberal attitude for somebody who cares.

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JeffreyR

Jul-28-13 12:56 PM

Obviously the new WalMart is a good thing. If it wasn't then Mayor Sara would not have put in all the effort to try and stop it!

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MrBoB51

Jul-28-13 12:57 PM

I forgot about those subsidies to business you also mentioned...stop being so eager to spend somebody else money. There is a recognized concept called 'success or failure' on your own, not 'equal outcomes' on somebody elses dime.

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drugsrus

Jul-28-13 1:48 PM

Dave, it's funny that the shops you mentioned don't really compete with WM. Most of their inventory is not available in the big store. And are you referring to "used furniture" places, and "second hand" stores as antique places ???

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TiredOfTax

Jul-28-13 4:35 PM

Do not worry, the people in charge of Gloversville can make any tax income disappear faster than any child does a candy bar. Tax breaks are not going to happen... nope. And Dave, any business is better than no business... YOU should know that! FCC is a thing of the past was wal*mart the blame for your failure as well?

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TheArchitect

Jul-28-13 5:02 PM

The failure of FCC was based on the poor quality and service provided, but mostly on the lack of knowledge of the staff and the high cost for the poor service as compared to other options.

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DaveGibson

Jul-28-13 5:07 PM

MrBob, the average Walmart Supercenter costs local taxpayers $900k in social services according to a congressional study. I'm not going to try to educate your closed mind, so you can believe it or not, I don't care.

Drugs- exactly. Downtown mom and pops don't sell the same merchandise as Walmart for a reason.

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ishouldknow

Jul-28-13 5:43 PM

The expected $800,000 in sales tax gain the city is expecting is a loss for every town in the county! Watch your town taxes jump this year.

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gville70

Jul-28-13 7:01 PM

It would be sweet if walmart forces the other supermarkets to lower their prices.. Having 4 options is better than 3

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MrBoB51

Jul-28-13 7:28 PM

Another opportunity presents itself. Which congressional study dave? Inventing one and saying it exists does not make it so just because you say it is. For every bogus statement you make, I can find a factual one to counter your BS. If you don't care what I think about your OPINIONS and false liberal assertions then stop spending so much time complaining about MY 'closed mind' and use your own self-proclaimed 'intelligence' and explain why liberals do not like consumer choices or low prices for the very people they claim to be protecting. Liberals love to climb up the backs of the poor, the disadvantaged, minorities and all the others they profess they are protecting and helping only to be able to shout louder about how they are looking out for the 'little guy' while doing no such thing. You make me sick, you and all progressive/liberal hypocrites.

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TiredOfTax

Jul-28-13 9:31 PM

I have recently talked to a few of the business owners locally and you know what, they all say the exact same thing... business has steadily declined and this year is already as stagnant as they have seen in recent memory. You can blame Wal*Mart for it if you want but truth is the government policies have a great deal more to do with our demise than any corporation in the world. The middle east is more ugly today than it was at the start of the Obama administration, Iraq is now in a full on civil war. Afghanistan is only slightly stabilized but as soon as we leave... chaos will overwhelm them again. As a matter of fact the entire world is much less stable. 5 years ago every liberal/progressive had every answer and they placed blame squarely on then president Bush. I wonder now after all this time who they blame now? LOL for a lack of Obama taking the blame for anything... its still Bush!

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DaveGibson

Jul-28-13 10:05 PM

Wow, MrBob. Such anger, and such a narrow minded view of the world. You think "liberals" are the problem? Did liberals get us into a $1 trillion war in Iraq? Did liberals cut income taxes and plunge the country into immense debt? Did liberals want the Walmart Super Center, which will add to our local social services tax bill? Nope. That would be you make believe conservatives. You don't know the meaning of the word, I'm afraid.

Obama had a budget surplus last month. I guess that makes him the real conservative.

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Pards13

Jul-29-13 9:40 AM

Just curious, if the Walmart was not here what does the study say. How much will those employees not working cost the area? Where else would they work? What other businesses would be here? What businesses have been lost because of Walmart here? I know it will be difficult but limit the answers to Fulton County NY.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-29-13 11:41 AM

Did liberals get us into a $1 trillion war in Iraq? Yes, they voted for it.

Did liberals cut income taxes and plunge the country into immense debt? Yes they voted for it and extended it.

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TiredOfTax

Jul-29-13 11:54 AM

Not so fast Dave, the liberal liars have already exceeded the debt ceiling!A closer look at the numbers actually shows the U.S. Treasury has already blown past the federal legal borrowing limit! And the mainstream media, as usual, is out to lunch. The table below shows how “Total Public Debt Outstanding” is already $38.82 billion above the statuary debt ceiling and now at $16,738,106,000,000.00.

The yield on 10-year U.S. Treasuries (^TNX) has surged 51% over the past three months and 84.07% over the past year alone. That move has taken the 10-year yield from 1.40% to 2.61%. And bond investors – especially owners of long-term debt - are beginning to see something they haven’t seen in a while; hefty losses. Joining these bond losers is the all-wise, all-knowing Federal Reserve, who, courtesy of its massive Treasury holdings (NYSEARCA:TLT), suffers paper losses of approximately $3 billion for every 0.01% rise in interest rates. Maybe the omnipotent Fed isn’t so omnipotent after all.

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MrBoB51

Jul-29-13 12:13 PM

Know a liberal by what they accuse you of.."Such anger, such a narrow minded view of the world". Oh yeah, and completely unable to answer a simple question, instead, like dave desperately tries to do here, they throw deflection and try to blame somebody else!!!! They tell us who they are every time they open their mouths. Thanks dave, and the answer to your silly questions is 'yes'.

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MrBoB51

Jul-29-13 12:27 PM

One last thing dave, I don't know what a 'make believe Conservative' is. Is it a liberal? Anyhow, I wouldn't know because I am a Constitutional Individualist. Something you will never understand or aspire to be. Now, here's an irritating fact for you to chew on...(fake conservative???)I am actually a registered DEMOCRAT for the sole purpose of voting for the guaranteed loser in Dem. primaries because I can and there is nothing you can do about it. I do not consider it a 'wasted' vote. The rest of the time I vote my conscious. ***poke***

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quentin

Jul-29-13 8:59 PM

On Wal-Mart's pro-con argument, watch 4 hours on: ***********pbs****/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/ Claim bias if you wish, but watch Wal-Mart guide a hairbrush maker to China for manufacturing, then debate WM's effect on American jobs.

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Pards13

Jul-30-13 8:52 AM

As I said limit it to Fulton county. I'm not terribly interested in the outside of the county at this point. The statement was that having Walmart here will cost the county about $900,000 and my question is if they were not here what would it cost the county. My feeling is that it would be more than that amount. Besides I really don't have four hours to invest in a show that may or may not answer my question.

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gville70

Jul-30-13 5:09 PM

Chill out Bob you'll live longer..

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DaveGibson

Jul-30-13 8:11 PM

Pard- when Walmart comes to town, they put other businesses out of business. Businesses that pay fairly well, have full time employees with benefits. Walmart pays squat and hire part time employees with no benefits. That's where the $900k comes from.

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