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City’s issues deserve focus

July 16, 2013

We’re not opposed to Gloversville Mayor Dayton King’s idea of combining some city elected positions with current county-level elected positions, but we do think there are other things in the city......

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MrBoB51

Jul-16-13 11:56 AM

This is small compared to what FEMA just did to rural Upstate NY. Their denial fits perfectly with Agenda 21's land restriction and development scheme. Advocates of this program, virtually liberal in Govt., do not want rural development unless they control it. These advocates want to herd everyone into managed urban settings that they control. Please, do not take my word for it. Find out for yourselves and then the pieces will start to come together, like why disaster relief is only for urban areas, not rural. Sure, the President declared upstate areas a 'Disaster'....because he and his followers want us the H3ll out of here, not to help us.

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MrBoB51

Jul-16-13 12:05 PM

Additionally, read Cuomo's comments on this. There is no money for this, so he claims. All the while 56 cents of every dollar Mont. Cnty property tax payers fork out goes straight to Welfare. We are on our own Upstate, we should start acting like it. Since we cannot rely on Fed. or State Govt, for ANYTHING what are the Mont. Cnty. Supervisors going to do???? Time to get off your ***es and DO SOMETHING. You were elected to represent us...START REPRESENTING.

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MrBoB51

Jul-16-13 12:07 PM

Yes readers, I hijacked this today. I do not apologize. This outrage cannot go unsaid.

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lizzie

Jul-16-13 12:43 PM

Why do the supervisors meet during the day? Because it's always been that way... Suppose someone who isn't retired wins a supervisor's seat - is that person supposed to skip work to attend the meeting?

Change the meeting to an evening, so anyone with a job can serve, and anyone with a job can attend meetings. How does it serve the public to have a meeting that very few can attend.....

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Ron1960

Jul-16-13 12:54 PM

lizzie, I agree that the supervisors meetings should be held in the evening like most cities and towns and villages are. But as long as the people keep on electing and re-+electing people as supervisors nothing will change. This year when you have choice for your supervisor ask those candidates if they would push for afternoon meetings and if that candidate says no then don't vote for that candidate. I know what your talking about the people attending the BOS meetings the last meeting there was only one member of the public there and the worst part is that the supervisors need to have a deputy sheriff there for their security, who are they scared of?

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TiredOfTax

Jul-16-13 1:53 PM

MrBob... I do not believe that the welfare problem grew up in our counties... I believe we imported this problem from the large metros. It ends their burdens while adding to ours! Same type thing happening with immigration only on the national level!

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Ron1960

Jul-16-13 3:43 PM

I keep hearing about how bad the welfare system is here in FC& MC but the fact is that it would not be anywhere as large as it is if our EDC's would do their job and bring companies here that would provide decent paying jobs and would be willing to stay here. The people who want to be on welfare would not come here if there were decent paying jobs that they could be ordered to take, but when there are no jobs here they can not be told that they need to get a job so they tell their friends for where they lived before how good things are here with no jobs. And our supervisors refuse to hold the EDC's accountable to do what their job is. And you elect the supervisors.

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MrBoB51

Jul-16-13 4:21 PM

Ron, even if there were good jobs available it still would not matter to the moocher class. If a person who lives next to a well dies of thirst, the well gets blamed.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-16-13 4:56 PM

@ lizzie - we live in a 24X7 society. No matter what time of day the meetings are held someone will always be excluded.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-16-13 4:57 PM

@ Ron1960 - You do realize that people other than the supervisors attend these meetings? Are you willing to pay the overtime of the employees that are at these meetings?

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RIchard

Jul-16-13 5:23 PM

King is a master of throwing things out just to get his name in print.

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Ron1960

Jul-16-13 5:30 PM

scarecrow57, Just what employees are you talking about. The employees could be given comp time off and in most cases those employees have assistants and those employees would know that attending these meeting are part of their jobs.

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TheArchitect

Jul-16-13 6:59 PM

"Ron1960", there are plenty of jobs, just check any newspaper or job search websites. The problem in this region is that many people just plain don't want to work and if the benefits they recieve for not working are sufficient to meet their basic needs, then they will never work. Also, in many public sector positions, workers are allowed to essentially get paid for just showing up. They are fed a diatribe from their unions that they are the hardest working people on the planet, but in reality could not make it a day in the private sector if they had to.

This is all off topic. Gloversville's issues deserve focus, but the city is in the midst of a lame duck session with a lame mayor who will be replaced in the fall. Next year would be a better time to refocus on the cities next steps as Mayor King's only efforts for Gloversville are attempting to get re-elected. Fortunately, he will be as successful at that as he was throughout this term - a complete and utter failure.

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adkkev

Jul-16-13 8:44 PM

Most of the Medicaid $$ are spent on those served by the ARCs in both counties, not on people on "welfare". That's where most of your tax monies go.

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Ron1960

Jul-17-13 6:53 AM

The Architect, You claim that there are many jobs in this area well you did not understand what I said and that was decent paying jobs. Now lets look at some of the jobs you claim are here. Walmart pays their employees so little that most of their employees are eligible for welfare benefits, the new company that purchased the old infirmary also pay their employees so little that most of their employees are eligible for welfare benefits. Then you have the problem that many of the jobs that are available around here are part-time which also makes them eligible for welfare benefits and many of the full time jobs that are available the employer demands such requirements that unless you have at least a Bachelors degree you could not qualify And many of the people who work in the private sector just could not cut it in many of the public sector jobs. So until you know what your talking about keep quiet. Thank you.

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TheArchitect

Jul-17-13 8:09 AM

"Ron1960", your claims illustrate just how unjustifiably generous the welfare program that is presently in place actually is.

The best way to get someone off public assistance is to make the program as streamlined as possible. It needs to serve as a safety net, not a comfortable place were generation after generation of would be capable people chose as there sole means for existence.

The bloated welfare system has removed the incentive for people to actually work hard at something, e.g. improving their skills and abilities through education and progress work development.

The problem is when you have no skills or ability, you have to start at the bottom and work your way up, not get the benefits on par with the people who have the skills and ability.

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Annarondac

Jul-17-13 9:36 AM

May I also add to the Architect's excellent observation that long ago, people wanted to work from the bottom up, something we don't see much of now. So Mr.Bob, Photo op Schumer got is face on the news, Cuomo got some perks about promises, what did complaining do to help the people in Ft. Plain? All I hear are crickets.

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MrBoB51

Jul-17-13 10:18 AM

Well anna, lets see; I notice you do not post just to agree. Hmmmm, the end of your first sentence is a complaint. Your second sentence you complain that 'complaining' did not help. In your third sentence you complain about the silence generated by my complaint. If you really believe complaining does not help then stop it. Oh wait, when liberals complain it's justified, when anyone else complains its just, well, complaining...nothing else. Hypocrite.

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MrBoB51

Jul-17-13 10:24 AM

So anna, don't P on yourself or anybody else and then complain it's raining.

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didd30

Jul-17-13 12:17 PM

Portnoy, do you know someone who works in the DSS system that is telling you that they encourage clients to stay on the DSS rolls?? I happen to work at DSS and I know for a fact that DSS tries to get clients OFF from "welfare" ( NEWS FLASH it is not called welfare anymore, it is called Temporary Assistance). I know how hard my coworkers and I work, meanwhile people like you sit there and criticize us for "handing out" money to clients. I am so sick and tired of people who know nothing about the Temporary Assistance Program griping and complaining about the program. How about you learn about the program BEFORE you make yourself look ignorant? Oh but wait, it’s too late for that!

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MrBoB51

Jul-17-13 12:49 PM

If it's called TEMPORARY assistance then why are so many people on TEMPORARY assistance for generations????? As far as 'learning' about 'the program', here's what I learned...I PAY FOR THE EFFING PROGRAM and pay your sorry azzed salary to boot. Stick your self righteousness where the don't shine, taxpayer employee, and check you're own ignorance before you post that crap to people who pay the WELFARE bills.

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MrBoB51

Jul-17-13 12:55 PM

....The onslaught of liberal ignorance continues...any more liberals out there care to continue to complain about complaining????

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MrBoB51

Jul-17-13 1:05 PM

Heres some more to complain about; as of May FEMA has doled out close to $1 Billion to downstate Sandy victims, out of a $60+ Billion disaster aid package. Coumo wants to give upstate $10 Million. So downstate gets $1,000 Million Coumo coughs up $10 Million, the equivalent of $1,000 for downstate residents and upstate residents get $10. Ten dollars. Thanks a lot Andy.

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Gemini

Jul-17-13 1:25 PM

MrBob, I think I love you!! Especially about the "welfare" issue.

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Ron1960

Jul-17-13 1:56 PM

Mr.BoB 51, Your good at talking about things you know very little about. I would like to see your proof that anyone is now and has been on Welfare ( temporary Assistance) for generations. The Temporary assistance can only last for 60 months. And much of what you and many others complain about that the local taxpayer gets stuck with is pure bull, many of the programs that people are eligible for and do get are federal programs. So please get your facts right before you make a fool our of your self. And no I don't work for social services.

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