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Get rid of ‘Obamacare’

July 15, 2013

“Obamacare,” the White House version of socialized medicine for Americans, always was a train wreck about to happen. Already the law has jumped the tracks....

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Ron1960

Jul-15-13 12:19 PM

You claim that many of Americans will be forced to pay much more for health insurance if and when Obama care is the law. First I would you show the proof of that and you talk about government approved health insurance, sow the list of insurance providers that are government approved. Unless you can show the facts about what you print do not print these kinds of scare tactics.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-15-13 12:24 PM

It is odd that people who would get the corporate mandated insurance will now be forced to go out and buy their own. Seems only fair and logical that all mandates be postponed.

But wait, this is law!!! The congress has to change the law, the President has no authority to delay the mandate.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-15-13 12:37 PM

LOL!! " Unless you can show the facts about what you print do not print these kinds of scare tactics." Kind of makes me think of the Pro Anthropegenic Global Warming Crowd. However, it stands to reason that if we now insure young adults until they are 26 and cover pre-existing conditions the money must come from somewhere. One persons gain is another persons loss.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-15-13 1:35 PM

The Flat Earth Society, chartered in 1492, (Fulton County Chapter) is still accepting new members

Thank god for Skeptics like Christopher Columbus who proved the consensus wrong.

Bottom line.....What does this have to do with the impeding train wreck???

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TiredOfTax

Jul-15-13 1:49 PM

Hey this is the promised stash from Obama, it ain't gonna cost ya anything. It is gonna pay fer itself cuz he sez so. How kin ya find fult wid it as he is the bestest ting to evir hapin to dis cuntrie. All kidding aside, Obamacare was passed in the middle of the night on a weekend so that sunshine wouldn't hit it until it was signed. It is not a gift to anyone, it is the largest tax increase and the largest expansion of government in history. It is unpopular at best and was rammed through as their power was evaporating. Now lets flush this useless bill and start with some all new crap.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-15-13 2:48 PM

Can someone please tell me what gives the President the Authority to postpone the implementation of a legally passed law signed by the President.... Bottom line, the President cannot do this.

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MrBoB51

Jul-15-13 3:25 PM

Scare, our white/african american President who identifies himself as black says he can. Want to complain? Address all complaints to Eric Witholder at the Justice Dept.. You will promptly be investigated.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-15-13 9:26 PM

Very odd. I thought the Obama supporters and leftist faction would be all over this trying to defend it. Apparently they have no defense for this Unconstitutional move.

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adkkev

Jul-15-13 9:54 PM

As long as the problem is socialized medicine for Americans, then I guess there should be a push for the abolishment of Medicare as well. And Medicaid. It's all about personal responsibility, right? So if you want medical coverage then you need to plan for it & purchase it if need be. And if one cannot afford coverage, well, it's all about personal responsibility, right? Remember, we are not our brother's keeper.

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yukonjack

Jul-15-13 11:04 PM

There is nothing to support in this law!It was crapped on by the insurance industry and the obstructionist Republican Party.The only work the GOP has done in 5 years is work at making the President look bad.Couple that with a uneducated ignorant Republican supporters and we have this mess.Anyone with half a brain(that doesn't include the majority of posters here and the writer of this crap editorial)could find out that sweeping legislature like this in the past has been altered and amended..NOT voted on to repeal.End of the day if this is repealed 30 million+ Americans don't have health insurance..and the rest of us pay more.Don't these people(10% or more of our country) matter?

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MrBoB51

Jul-16-13 8:05 AM

First of all yukon, not one republican voted for this garbage called obamacare. NONE. The Dems own it lock stock and barrel. Secondly, 18th. Amendment was repealed. The rest of your screed is..well, ignorant emotional crap. All that from an 'uneducated Republican supporter' with half his brain tied behind his back.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-16-13 8:12 AM

Sorry to disappoint Bob, but 1 did vote for it, A turncoat by the name of Olympia Snowe of Maine. Stated properly the sentence should be "Only 1 Republican was bribed into voting for it."

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DaveGibson

Jul-16-13 8:28 AM

Dumbest editorial I've ever read. Obamacare isn't "socialized" medicine. That would be single payer like the rest of the civilized world has. Obamacare is "capitalized" medicine because of the private, for profit insurance mandate.

The insurance mandate is a conservative idea originally promoted by the Heritage Foundation.

I agree that the insurance mandate is a bad idea. Scrap it and replace it with single payer.

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TiredOfTax

Jul-16-13 8:59 AM

Snowe again voted against health care reform when she voted "no" on the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010.[21]

It was a TEXAN that betrayed the Republicans!

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MrBoB51

Jul-16-13 9:41 AM

Scare, what you refer to is not the patient care affordable act. Here's the tally on Senate vote #396 on Dec.24 2009: Yea 58 Dem. 2 Ind.; Nay ALL 39 Repub.; not voting 1. (Snowe voted nay). House voted on HR3590 (PPACA) on March 21 2010: Yea 219 Dem 0 Rep.; Nay 34 Dem ALL 178 Republicans. As I stated, the Democrats wholly own this garbage.

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MrBoB51

Jul-16-13 9:51 AM

One last thought yukon, this President does not need Republican help to look bad, he does very good on his own.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-16-13 10:33 AM

@DaveGibson - First off Dave, there is no such thing as a single payer system. The working people pay no matter what.

Next, experience has shown that monopolies do not work and are not acceptable in this country. I contacted the Federal Office of Personal Management about an issue back in March of 2013; I'm still waiting for an answer. I DO NOT WANT THIS KIND OF SERVICE FOR MY HEALTH CARE!!! Keep the inefficient Government out of MY HEALTH CARE!!!

Lastly, in a society where we reward accomplishment and success with higher pay and higher profits it is not possible to socialize part of the society. If you like the European model then move there. As a side note you will note that since WWI we have been bailing out the European countries.

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adkkev

Jul-16-13 11:33 AM

Scarecrow ... Medicare is a single payer system. Apparently you don't quite understand what the term "single payer system" means. Yes, all taxpayers would pay for a single payer system. Under a single payer system insurance companies would still provide coverage but payment would come from the federal gov't (just like Medicare). No one has suggested that the federal gov't actually provide the health care (i.e. gov't doctors). Secondly, government is NOT "in your health care" ... insurance companies still provide the coverage. The law is requiring you to maintain health care coverage ... it's still your choice about what insurance company/organization provides your health care (unless you're on Medicare). The law is also requiring those insurance companies to provide certain levels/kinds of insurance.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-16-13 1:00 PM

@adkkev - WOW!!!! You clearly don't know how Medicare works. It is run by many different Insurance companies. There is NO Single Payer. Medicare is not supplemented by the insured.

NEXT!!! Insurance companies DO NOT Provide me with my Health care. Health Care is Provided by Doctors, Nurses, Hospitals, Pharmacies etc. How I pay for MY Health Care is my business. Insurance companies only provide a mechanism to transfer risk. When dealing with risk (in this case finical risk) You can reduce the risk, accept the risk, mitigate the risk, or transfer the risk (buy insurance)

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adkkev

Jul-16-13 2:08 PM

ScareCrow: Yes, Medicare is ADMINISTERED by several different players BUT the payment for the services comes from ONE place, the federal government. The federal gov't is the single payer. And yes, Medicare is supplemented by the insured ... if you receive Social Security and wish to have Medicare, then a monthly "premium" is deducted from your SS benefit. You are correct in stating that the insurance company does not provide your health care, I did use "care" instead of "coverage" in one sentence. You choose the health care coverage that you wish & if you choose not to have an insurance company provide you with the coverage (i.e., you're self insuring yourself & paying for any health care completely out of your own pocket), then that's your choice. But I'm wondering about things like car insurance ... do you choose not to carry auto insurance? It's a state law to have auto insurance, and clearly you believe it's your personal option to assum

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Scarecrow57

Jul-16-13 2:20 PM

I am forced to carry auto insurance known as liability which protects others against financial loss, not me. I am not forced to carry collision or comprehensive which protects me.

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adkkev

Jul-16-13 3:37 PM

SC - NYS is a no-fault auto insurance state so the liability insurance covers you & any occupants in your car. So yes, it does protect you personally for any bodily injury. It does not protect you against the financial loss of your vehicle (which is what I believe you were saying, so you're on the money with that!).

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TiredOfTax

Jul-16-13 9:59 PM

Despite the administration's controversial decision to delay forcing companies to join Obamacare for a year, three-quarters of small businesses are still making plans to duck the costly law by firing workers, reducing hours of full-time staff, or shift many to part-time, according to a sobering survey released by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

"Small businesses expect the requirement to negatively impact their employees. Twenty-seven percent say they will cut hours to reduce full time employees, 24 percent will reduce hiring, and 23 percent plan to replace full time employees with part-time workers to avoid triggering the mandate," said the Chamber business survey provided to Secrets.

Under Obamacare, just 30 hours — not the nationally recognized 40 hours — is considered full-time. Companies with 50 full-time workers or more are required to provide health care, or pay a fine.

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TiredOfTax

Jul-16-13 10:04 PM

Purdue University in Indiana faces a $2.8 million Obamacare bill due to Obamacare, "We are making some pretty radical changes because of 'health care reform,'" says Purdue's Eva Nodine. "So we wanted to make sure we had enough time to educate our employees because education is key" $2.8 million dollars in added fees and claims are included in the recommendations for next year. Now that's due to the 'Affordable Care Act.' The medical plans and premiums will go before the full board for approval on Friday."

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DaveGibson

Jul-17-13 3:45 AM

So let me ask. If not Obamacare, then what? Certainly we don't want to go back to the way things were, where 50 million Americans have no health insurance, and those that do are faced with coverage caps and outrageously high premiums, and are only one serious illness away from bankruptcy. It's easy to be critical. What do you who are opposed to Obamacare recommend?

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