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Get rid of ‘Obamacare’

July 15, 2013

“Obamacare,” the White House version of socialized medicine for Americans, always was a train wreck about to happen. Already the law has jumped the tracks....

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TiredOfTax

Jul-18-13 10:44 PM

On October 13, 2012, President Obama boasted to Americans in his weekly address that he refused to “let Detroit go bankrupt.” “[W]e refused to throw in the towel and do nothing,” Obama said. “We refused to let Detroit go bankrupt, I bet on American workers, and American ingenuity and three years later that bet is paying off in a big way.” Today... Detroit—The city of Detroit filed the largest municipal bankruptcy case in U.S. history Thursday afternoon, culminating a decades-long slide that transformed the nation’s iconic industrial town into a model of urban decline crippled by population loss, a dwindling tax base and financial problems. The 16-page petition was filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Detroit.

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gville70

Jul-18-13 5:40 PM

Nice right wing article LH...Don't bother trying too explain multi-syllable words to the right wingers..They bask in their own ignorance and are proud of being anti-intellectual ...Heck it was their platform last election...See how that worked out eh? Anyway it will work in the blue states but fail in the red simply because they don't want anything the dems pass to work..

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yukonjack

Jul-18-13 5:31 PM

Tired of tax ..You are kind of close in your assessment..The insurance industry is a big source of the high bills..The Act is mandating that 80% of cost goes to patients care.. drugs r us...Thank the Village idiot from Crawford Texas Dubya for putting inept wacky right wing nut justices on the bench ..When will someone answer Dgibsons ?? I f you repeal it then what for the 50 million without it..... Closing comment ..The LOSER Republican PArty pols are now 0-38 in voting to repeal this Act.What a WASTE of time!!..How can anyone in their right mind support such obstructionist politicians..They make whimpy liberal politicians look good..

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laker88

Jul-18-13 2:33 PM

Drugs....I don't know about Obamacare being a "fiasco" but completely agree with your statement .. "where was the outrage going way back to the Reagan years." Once again this demonstrates the ineptness of our Congress, both parties. They have had several DECADES to figure out a better health care system. Taxpayers continue to foot the bill due to incompetent, self serving, corrupt politicians.

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Flapper

Jul-18-13 9:00 AM

Drugs - You are absolutely correct. I just think that this healthcare act is completely abstract to anything that came before it. This is about 10% healthcare and 90% money and control. Government could of mandated regulations and over site in the private sector to impose changes in healthcare but is SO much more. How much is going to be deducted from healthcare to facilitate funding the administration; millions, billions per year. I don't agree with putting it in the circular file, I think it should be spread out over fields with the rest of the bull****.

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drugsrus

Jul-18-13 1:11 AM

yo, yukon - what is legal in a state (Massachusetts in this case) is not necessarily legal on a federal level. Nowhere in the US Constitution does the government have the ability to force the people to buy something. It got through because the nitwit SCOTUS ruled it was a tax.

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TiredOfTax

Jul-17-13 9:33 PM

So, this is kind of nuts. Thirty-five House Democrats voted with the Republicans today to delay the ObamaCare employer mandate. Then when it came time to vote on the individual mandate — which commands Americans to go out and buy a product with their own money — thirteen of those Democrats went back to the other side and voted No.

Meaning, those thirteen Democrats agree that the employer mandate should be delayed, but they don’t want to offer the same delay for American citizens.

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TiredOfTax

Jul-17-13 5:51 PM

Obamacare is just wrong. It is a partisan bill that was rammed through with one sided ideas that will not work. There is some good but not enough to keep this mess in place. Where is the ability to purchase insurance freely throughout the country? Or even across state lines. You say you can't get insurance now because of a preexisting condition? If it were allowed you would not have had to give up your insurance you could have moved and continued with the coverage you had. Where are the limits on lawsuits? This alone has caused insurance to skyrocket. Whenever someone dies and a large settlement is paid because it is cheaper than fighting it EVERYONE except the happy recipient loses! Obama has rammed his plan down the throats of the American taxpayers despite overwhelming opposition to this outrageous bill! When more than half the country is against it it is not going to work!

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yukonjack

Jul-17-13 5:37 PM

Unconstitutional NOPE.The Act was modeled after the Massachusetts EX governor Romney..Republican.Already lowering prices for health care in NY and Californis...Obstructionist Republicans are to blame for not fine tuning this ACT that is here to stay..Plus if you don't like move out!!!

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drugsrus

Jul-17-13 3:10 PM

So Flapper, you are supporting this mess?????? This is an unconstitutional measure that needs to be put in the "rotary file"

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Flapper

Jul-17-13 1:38 PM

1986, First lets eliminate all those 45 years of age and younger since they did not have a vote in government and lets eliminate those that did have a vote in government but have since "moved on"; I'm not sure if there is enough of us left to speak for the rest, so back to current events.

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drugsrus

Jul-17-13 11:23 AM

A big yes that Obummercare is and will be a fiasco and the whole thing needs to be scrapped. But my question is -- where was the outrage when everybody favorite pres. Ronnie Reagan said that healthcare costs have outpaced inflation by twenty-five times ?? -- and that was in 1986

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Flapper

Jul-17-13 9:29 AM

There is no doubt the affordable care act is a foot in the door to a single payer program. Employers can avoid providing health insurance for employees by dropping the work week below 30 hours. If a person couldn't afford insurance at a full weeks pay it sure isn't going to be any better after loosing 25%+ of their income. Once people get hit with the $2,000.00 annual fine for not having healthcare, as well as, suffer from the loss of pay due to time cuts; people will be screaming for a single payer program just so they can get the IRS off their back and get a descent work week in. Of course this is in my word but the union leaders have already sent letters to Reid and Pelosi pleading to halt the Affordable Care Act because it will decimate the union workforce for just the same reason. As the union leaders put it "it will destroy the 40 hour work week which is the back bone of the middle class". What did Pelosi say, we'll have to wait until it is a law to see what is in it.

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laker88

Jul-17-13 8:14 AM

During the last 5 years, the cost of health insurance under our current system(or lack of) has increased 4 times greater than cost of living increases during that period. Everytime an uninsured person goes into an er, Joe taxpayer pays dearly. And to continue Dave's question... has anyone seen the repubs plan??

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DaveGibson

Jul-17-13 3:45 AM

So let me ask. If not Obamacare, then what? Certainly we don't want to go back to the way things were, where 50 million Americans have no health insurance, and those that do are faced with coverage caps and outrageously high premiums, and are only one serious illness away from bankruptcy. It's easy to be critical. What do you who are opposed to Obamacare recommend?

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TiredOfTax

Jul-16-13 10:04 PM

Purdue University in Indiana faces a $2.8 million Obamacare bill due to Obamacare, "We are making some pretty radical changes because of 'health care reform,'" says Purdue's Eva Nodine. "So we wanted to make sure we had enough time to educate our employees because education is key" $2.8 million dollars in added fees and claims are included in the recommendations for next year. Now that's due to the 'Affordable Care Act.' The medical plans and premiums will go before the full board for approval on Friday."

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TiredOfTax

Jul-16-13 9:59 PM

Despite the administration's controversial decision to delay forcing companies to join Obamacare for a year, three-quarters of small businesses are still making plans to duck the costly law by firing workers, reducing hours of full-time staff, or shift many to part-time, according to a sobering survey released by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

"Small businesses expect the requirement to negatively impact their employees. Twenty-seven percent say they will cut hours to reduce full time employees, 24 percent will reduce hiring, and 23 percent plan to replace full time employees with part-time workers to avoid triggering the mandate," said the Chamber business survey provided to Secrets.

Under Obamacare, just 30 hours — not the nationally recognized 40 hours — is considered full-time. Companies with 50 full-time workers or more are required to provide health care, or pay a fine.

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adkkev

Jul-16-13 3:37 PM

SC - NYS is a no-fault auto insurance state so the liability insurance covers you & any occupants in your car. So yes, it does protect you personally for any bodily injury. It does not protect you against the financial loss of your vehicle (which is what I believe you were saying, so you're on the money with that!).

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Scarecrow57

Jul-16-13 2:20 PM

I am forced to carry auto insurance known as liability which protects others against financial loss, not me. I am not forced to carry collision or comprehensive which protects me.

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adkkev

Jul-16-13 2:08 PM

ScareCrow: Yes, Medicare is ADMINISTERED by several different players BUT the payment for the services comes from ONE place, the federal government. The federal gov't is the single payer. And yes, Medicare is supplemented by the insured ... if you receive Social Security and wish to have Medicare, then a monthly "premium" is deducted from your SS benefit. You are correct in stating that the insurance company does not provide your health care, I did use "care" instead of "coverage" in one sentence. You choose the health care coverage that you wish & if you choose not to have an insurance company provide you with the coverage (i.e., you're self insuring yourself & paying for any health care completely out of your own pocket), then that's your choice. But I'm wondering about things like car insurance ... do you choose not to carry auto insurance? It's a state law to have auto insurance, and clearly you believe it's your personal option to assum

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Scarecrow57

Jul-16-13 1:00 PM

@adkkev - WOW!!!! You clearly don't know how Medicare works. It is run by many different Insurance companies. There is NO Single Payer. Medicare is not supplemented by the insured.

NEXT!!! Insurance companies DO NOT Provide me with my Health care. Health Care is Provided by Doctors, Nurses, Hospitals, Pharmacies etc. How I pay for MY Health Care is my business. Insurance companies only provide a mechanism to transfer risk. When dealing with risk (in this case finical risk) You can reduce the risk, accept the risk, mitigate the risk, or transfer the risk (buy insurance)

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adkkev

Jul-16-13 11:33 AM

Scarecrow ... Medicare is a single payer system. Apparently you don't quite understand what the term "single payer system" means. Yes, all taxpayers would pay for a single payer system. Under a single payer system insurance companies would still provide coverage but payment would come from the federal gov't (just like Medicare). No one has suggested that the federal gov't actually provide the health care (i.e. gov't doctors). Secondly, government is NOT "in your health care" ... insurance companies still provide the coverage. The law is requiring you to maintain health care coverage ... it's still your choice about what insurance company/organization provides your health care (unless you're on Medicare). The law is also requiring those insurance companies to provide certain levels/kinds of insurance.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-16-13 10:33 AM

@DaveGibson - First off Dave, there is no such thing as a single payer system. The working people pay no matter what.

Next, experience has shown that monopolies do not work and are not acceptable in this country. I contacted the Federal Office of Personal Management about an issue back in March of 2013; I'm still waiting for an answer. I DO NOT WANT THIS KIND OF SERVICE FOR MY HEALTH CARE!!! Keep the inefficient Government out of MY HEALTH CARE!!!

Lastly, in a society where we reward accomplishment and success with higher pay and higher profits it is not possible to socialize part of the society. If you like the European model then move there. As a side note you will note that since WWI we have been bailing out the European countries.

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MrBoB51

Jul-16-13 9:51 AM

One last thought yukon, this President does not need Republican help to look bad, he does very good on his own.

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MrBoB51

Jul-16-13 9:41 AM

Scare, what you refer to is not the patient care affordable act. Here's the tally on Senate vote #396 on Dec.24 2009: Yea 58 Dem. 2 Ind.; Nay ALL 39 Repub.; not voting 1. (Snowe voted nay). House voted on HR3590 (PPACA) on March 21 2010: Yea 219 Dem 0 Rep.; Nay 34 Dem ALL 178 Republicans. As I stated, the Democrats wholly own this garbage.

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