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July 8, 2013

The average U.S. college student walks off campus with about $26,500 in student loan debt, much of it in government-subsidized low-interest loans....

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Pards13

Jul-11-13 9:30 AM

I thought so.

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notgood

Jul-10-13 2:52 PM

The real problem is, not all pay thier way, so we the working class have to pick up the tab as always.

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Pards13

Jul-10-13 1:47 PM

Where did the list come from I googled and check one list and only 6 of Dave's country showed up. The I looked at was alternet dot org.

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Pards13

Jul-10-13 8:47 AM

Most of the countries you mention are in some form of turmoil. There may be one that I might consider living in. I doubt that the middle class of all those countries are all higher than the USA. As far as a middle class in the US I will concede that it is under massive pressure from the polices of the recent administrations. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence and it is definitely not greener in those countries.

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MrBoB51

Jul-10-13 8:42 AM

1972 1200cc Brown hatchback getreal. 0-60 in 1/2 hour.

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MrBoB51

Jul-10-13 8:36 AM

Dave, you are the one who continues to post about 'free' education. Now its minutiae. No sir, it is not. You're merely trying to minimize and deflect your own idiotic statements. There is no 'free' education anywhere because SOMEBODY ELSE ALWAYS pays for it. Even in those countries you mentioned. Progressives are unable to figure that out. I guess it's time to break out the progressive dictionary again...lets see.."Free (anything): 'what everybody else pays for that benefits me'. That about covers it.

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getreal

Jul-10-13 6:39 AM

OMG Mr Bob I grew up with a yellow Pinto... what collor was yours?

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drugsrus

Jul-09-13 11:48 PM

Pards, there is a middle class in the US???? really???? There is no middle class. There are the poor, the working poor, a big gap and the bottom rung on the affluent ladder.

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DaveGibson

Jul-09-13 9:24 PM

Countries with free post secondary education- Algeria, Argentina, Bhutan, Cuba, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Italy, India, Malta, Mauritius, Morocco, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Sri Lanka, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Barbados, Kenya, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay.

Let's take Norway, for example. They're middle class is ranked #14 in the world. The US is #27. Besides free public education, they have universal health care.

What do they know that we don't?

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Pards13

Jul-09-13 5:25 PM

I'm curious which countries have a more robust economy and larger middle class than the US? The other question I have is which country have included college as part of their public education system and what qualifications does a student have to meet in order to qualify?

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DaveGibson

Jul-09-13 4:20 PM

MrBob and Scarecrow - I wrote "Perhaps it's time we looked at how we fund and educate our youngest generations". Why do you dwell on the word "free"? Is that all you've got, to dwell on minutiae? You're so busy dissecting a person's post that you miss the whole point.

Is public education free? To the student, yes. Yes it is.

My point was that countries with more robust economies than ours, countries with solid middle classes, have included college as part of their public education system. College graduates, free from debt, begin to contribute to the economy immediately upon graduation.

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drugsrus

Jul-09-13 3:51 PM

swizzee, I never said it was OK for anybody use street drugs. But the fact is they do, and it is much more common than you realize. There are no drug tests that are associated with competency tests for mechanics or any "licensing" system. It is employers who do the drug testing.

Pharmaceutical companies gave me a card that explains what I am taking and that I am a participant in an ongoing study.

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drugsrus

Jul-09-13 3:40 PM

Hill, it is always about the money. Harvard could be totally free for the next 50 years and that is on the interest alone.

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drugsrus

Jul-09-13 3:38 PM

It is funny how way back when, Carnegie, Rockefeller, and JP Morgan were in kind of a competition to see who could make the most money. When they all had amassed billions they started to give it away and the competition continued. Their foundations are still giving money away. Yet the bastions of education who teach that when there is such an accumulation of $$ you have to fund worthwhile enterprises. Too bad they fail to practice what they preach.

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Hilltopper

Jul-09-13 2:09 PM

Shirley Ann Jackson, RPI president and former chair of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission, has an annual salary of $1.77 million annually. RPI Endowment- $621 Million, student tuition and fee- $45.1 K annually. Student activity fee - $619 per student, 5322 students enrolled, total student activity fee paid to RPI - $3.29 million.

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Hilltopper

Jul-09-13 1:20 PM

All high schools are guilty of perpetuating the myth that if you don't go to college you are a loser. The cost of college is greatly inflated; colleges with endowments in the billions still charge hefty tuitions. Harvard has a $30 billion endowment and still charges $60K in tuition and fees. Higher education has become a big business and spawned many related businesses such as text books, test prep such as Kaplan, housing, entertainment, dining services, athletics, team clothing and gear, all charging the student highly inflated prices. There is no investigation of these inflated prices because it all comes down to politics, lobbying, and campaign contributions. Congress is more than happy to protect money making interests of higher education because they lobby with money. Put half of what colleges charge for student association fees to lobby for student interests and the landscape would be totally different. Real World 101, Money Talks, B-ull S-hit W-alks.

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Scarecrow57

Jul-09-13 11:11 AM

Sorry Dave, Nothing in life is free, someone always pays. At least with our current system some will take the time to at least analyze which degrees will provide the cost benefit. Imagine if college was free how many political scientist we would have.

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Pards13

Jul-09-13 9:59 AM

Many countries do have free college education. They sort students to courses of study that a student may be successful earlier in middle school. Just because Johnny may want to go to college doesn't mean he will. If they don't meet the standards they don't go.

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drugsrus

Jul-09-13 9:31 AM

but Dave, they don't teach today in high school what they did in the '50s and '60s. Many of today's first year college courses I had more of that subject in my junior year of HS. And most colleges today have remedial reading, English (classes that were mandatory when I was in Jr high- now they call that stage middle school) and math classes. Today's kids need a 2 year degree just to be exposed to the same level of education that was taught back when you didn't need more than good grades and a regents diploma.

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MrBoB51

Jul-09-13 9:04 AM

Hey disco, from first grade to high school I wore a uniform with tie. Went to College, shed the tie, bought a Pinto. Should of kept the tie.

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MrBoB51

Jul-09-13 8:54 AM

DaveG, I hate to be the one to break the news to you but nothing is free, in every instance somebody (else) pays the freight. In those countries you refer to not one teacher, instructor or professor works for free. That convoluted thinking is what put us in the predicament America is currently in....free money, free phones, free medical care, free food, free-free-free NOW!!! Yes, hard work has a future payoff but in America laziness pays off now.

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DaveGibson

Jul-09-13 7:24 AM

Many countries continue free public education right through college. Upon graduation, these students have zero debt. They can immediately start businesses and become consumers.

Our public education system was geared for the day when most of the population worked and lived on farms and a high school education guaranteed you a good job. That is no longer the case. Perhaps it's time we looked at how we fund and educate our youngest generations.

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drugsrus

Jul-09-13 12:18 AM

oops -slate top table- (1" slate-3 piece) and there was a photo of it in an issue of Popular Mechanics magazine.

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drugsrus

Jul-09-13 12:14 AM

laker, we agree on something, you gave us 2 examples of what can be accomplished IF you aren't afraid to get your hands dirty. A rare quality in most of today's youth. My son (40 now) talked me out of letting him go to vo-tech because most of the ones who went there were disruptive. So he stayed at the HS and built a 4X8 slat top pool table in wood shop that earned him a spot on the honor roll. While in HS was working as a mechanic anyway(after school & weekends). 10 yrs ago he opened his own garage and is quite successful.

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laker88

Jul-08-13 10:13 PM

My brother is a History teacher. A student who failed his class miserably(along with 2 other classes),and who got one of the lowest grades ever on the regents, is now one of the best plumbing and heating men in the area. Just one of many examples of students who might struggle with academics, yet who have a real talent for a trade. Re Scarecrow's comment on counselors, I agree... Schools/counselors need to zero in on some of the students who may struggle academically, but who might have some mechanical ability. My nephew wasted a semester in college...dropped out. He's now a diesel mechanic making a great living.

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