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Pols should look at Texas

June 18, 2013

Texas Gov. Rick Perry is challenging Gov. Andrew Cuomo over which state is more business friendly. Good. State officials must remember there are alternatives to the way the Empire State does business....

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TiredOfTax

Jun-21-13 10:59 PM

The disagree button is the progressive help button. If they do not get it... they click disagree so we can inform them further as they do desire to catch up!

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drugsrus

Jun-20-13 8:23 PM

Hey MrBoB, somebody punched the disagree button on those last posts. I wonder if he/she will defend the position and explain why we are wrong????

Probably not

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MrBoB51

Jun-20-13 3:00 PM

Yes Drugs, Laker did put that well didn't he.

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FmrJtownRes

Jun-20-13 1:00 PM

Every state has corrupt politicians, Texas is not an exception. Sure they will lure business down here, with guaranteed tax abatement's like every other state does. The sales tax rate is the same or higher in some places than NY. The housing prices are higher than in Fulton County, and the property tax rate is +-3% where I live. But, with all the ranting I see on these pages about illegals, you might want to stay away as you wouldn't be able to tell an illegal from a legal. Texas is a majority minority state. That means that the majority of the population is minority. We also have fracking, lots of fracking, which puts a strain on the drinking water for many towns. Oh and extreme drought, so there are water restrictions throughout the year. So much more, but I'll stop there. Come on down!

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drugsrus

Jun-20-13 11:39 AM

wow laker, you said in nicer words what I have been saying for years. Why is it the teachers fault or the school districts fault that the graduation rates are down??? When to the "kiddies" start to take responsibility for their own actions??? Why hand out good grades to the idiots who won't apply themselves in the classroom???

Teachers do not teach - students learn

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laker88

Jun-20-13 11:20 AM

Well Bob, in spite of some previous spirited disagreements, I heartily agree with your comments about work ethic. I have a close family member who has taught for many years. He can't get over the steadily increasing number of students who fail to complete the required classwork, and the scary part is that it includes a lot of the "better" students, which is reflected in the decreasing number of American students in engineering and medical fields. And now they want to tie in tests/high grades with teacher salaries, so lets water them down further! I also agree that a strong work ethic starts with parenting/family. Like you I was given an allowance, but also had to earn it, no excuses...and I remember several times that allowance being withheld because I had done a half baked job.

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drugsrus

Jun-20-13 11:11 AM

Poverty in the US is certainly a much better lot than in the rest of the world. For most there are "safety nets". But encampments like the old "Hoovervilles" are not tolerated. The average "under privileged" American wouldn't last a week in some of the slums outside the US

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Scarecrow57

Jun-20-13 10:33 AM

Hilltopper - Do you know how the poverty level is calculated? Did you know that 46% of individuals who fall under the poverty line own their own homes. Poverty is a moving target and as long as it keeps moving there will always be people living in poverty.

Individuals who fall below the poverty line often lack basic things like microwaves, clothes dryers, and computers. Research has found that 91% of these families own a color TV and 52% own a stereo, however.

So we have to really ask....What is Poverty???

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Scarecrow57

Jun-20-13 10:27 AM

"Do you honestly believe people like working for crap wages?"

I believe they would all like to make $50 per hour or $100K per year (about the same). There are plenty of opportunities to get a better education or learn a skill. They simply are not motivated enough to go after it. And that all comes from the entitlement and make it easy attitude we teach in our schools. Everyone gets an award; how is that fiar to those who worked hard for the accomplishment?

So yes, I believe they do not care enough to try to get a better job.

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MrBoB51

Jun-20-13 8:43 AM

Thanks laker but it's not the wealthy that are causing our problems, it's our bloated Government and too many citizens and WAY too many non-citizens with their hands out demanding other peoples money. When I was a kid, I got an allowance but I also had specific duties in order to EARN my allowance. If I slacked off and didn't do one or two or waited for my parents to remind me, no allowance and no arguing allowed. It was all up to ME. Whatever happened to that ethic??

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laker88

Jun-19-13 10:59 PM

Whoa Bob...You've made a statement I totally agree with..."poverty is winning." In the last 3 decades the position of the wealthy elite, through tax loopholes, offshore accts etc has increased by leaps and bounds..at the expense of the shrinking middle class. The average blue collar guy on salary, simply trying to provide for his family, continues to struggle.

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TiredOfTax

Jun-19-13 10:33 PM

Well they have Wal*mart stores all over the nation. How do you think that this is a discussion about Texas vs NYS? How did we get to adding more benefits for the unemployed or raising the minimum wage? NYS leads the Nation on taxation and GLOVERSVILLE tops the list of taxpayers in NYS. Are we better off than in Texas? I do not believe so. Can Texas do better in some ways? Sure but NYS is far worse off in many ways than many states. Waste, debt and taxes are some of them.

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Hilltopper

Jun-19-13 9:38 PM

s-u-c-k-s

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Hilltopper

Jun-19-13 9:38 PM

Wal-mart *****!!! (How's that?)

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DaveGibson

Jun-19-13 9:29 PM

Scarecrow - "because these people can live comfortably on the low wages that the government subsidizes, they can get all the low cost labor they want."

Do you honestly believe people like working for crap wages? Do you believe people like being on the dole? And it's total nonsense to think that many of these folks can just get an education and get a better job. There are mentally handicapped people that this is not an option for, to say nothing about the just plain dumb ones. You remember them in school, right?

Gloversville has a 40% dropout rate. Are all those kids simply lazy? Probably some of them are, but many are just plain stupid. If they wind up working at Walmart, should they not receive the basic necessities of life? Sure, I'd much rather that Walmart pay them a living wage instead of us taxpayers, but that's not happening.

So do as I do. Boycott Walmart and shop locally, and bad mouth them every chance you get until they get the message.

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yukonjack

Jun-19-13 8:51 PM

What was NOt mentioned by Perry,or this article, is that Texas is willing to give more corporate welfare for business to relocate to Texas..Money talks.

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drugsrus

Jun-19-13 8:09 PM

'topper, sometimes you amaze me with your posts being so right on. There is hope. And there are other times I see a definite short circuit.

I don't know where all the posters live but $5K/yr. won't get you much for housing costs. Check the gov't figures for the poverty level and you will find it is nearer $20K than you think

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Hilltopper

Jun-19-13 5:51 PM

"Minimum wage has stayed below the poverty level, and what we have to be keenly aware of is that in 1970 if you worked for minimum wage it kept you out of poverty. And so if we were going to go back to a wage that would keep families out of poverty, minimum wage would have to be about $12.50 an hour instead of its current $7.25." Sister Simone Campbell 11/16/12. Beside food,clothing,and shelter, health care, transportation and heat are basic. If you can live on, "$10,500 per year or $5.05 an hour for a 52 week, 40 hour work week", try it for a year and let me know how you make out.

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Scarecrow57

Jun-19-13 5:19 PM

And, if Wally had to pay a decent wage they could either pay or get out of Dodge. We are subsidizing the workers who at least show up to work, and subsidizing the shareholders who are making money by sitting on their *sses watching FNN.

I agree, the government enables Wally to pay low wages. And careful, I am one of those investors....I don't plan on working forever

My question. What is the $12 an hour figure based on? That is what necessities does it include?

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Hilltopper

Jun-19-13 4:11 PM

A living wage would be over $12 per hour if it was comparable in purchasing power to what the minimum wage was in 1970. And, if Wally had to pay a decent wage they could either pay or get out of Dodge. We are subsidizing the workers who at least show up to work, and subsidizing the shareholders who are making money by sitting on their *sses watching FNN.

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Pards13

Jun-19-13 3:46 PM

Gee, I wonder what the cost of all those lost jobs would be vs the gain of making Walmart pay a "living wage". Be careful what you ask for. I think you would see less Walmarts and more people in trouble without any jobs. Then we really would have a ghost town.

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Scarecrow57

Jun-19-13 3:30 PM

What if NYS had a minimum wage that was a "living wage"?

What is a living wage???

I contend a living wage means you need enough for clothing, shelter, and food. Clothing $500 per year, Shelter $5000 per year, food $5,000 a year. This means a living wage is $10,500 per year or $5.05 an hour for a 52 week, 40 hour work week.

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MrBoB51

Jun-19-13 3:09 PM

Ron, don't waste your time asking somebody where the good paying jobs are. YOU find one and move there, drive there or YOU make one yourself utilizing your own talents. The alternative is doing nothing, not relying on yourself and waiting for what you consider a good job to magically fall from the sky courtesy of somebody else. Since the taxpayers of the US started providing so many freebies too many people have forgot it's THEIR job to find a job. It's come down to if there's not one within walking distance...well then, it's welfare time. Now, let the excuses begin.

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Hilltopper

Jun-19-13 3:09 PM

What if NYS had a minimum wage that was a "living wage"? I know the philosophy is that small businesses would go under, but in the case of Wal-mart, the Walton family has more wealth than the entire bottom 30% of the US population. At what point do they start paying a wage that doesn't have to be supplemented by public assistance? It's interesting how little anger is directed to them.

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Scarecrow57

Jun-19-13 3:01 PM

Ron1960 - It has taken us 80 years to introduce the co-support of the government with labor force. It is not something you can repair overnight.

And yes, to get the good jobs you have to travel to Albany, I do it 5 times a week. And as a reward, (and being single) I get to pay 30% of my salary to the Government.

Believe this. If people were not content in those low paying jobs the pay would go up. What if Walmart couldn't get enough people to work in the store for $8 an hour. They would have to pay more. But because these people can live comfortably on the low wages that the government subsidizes, they can get all the low cost labor they want.

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