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Democrats face test

June 17, 2013

Democrats in Congress may well be facing a test of whether their allegiance is primarily to Americans and the nation’s ideals — or party loyalty....

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Hilltopper

Jun-17-13 11:44 AM

Does the Republican Party show their allegiance to "Americans" and the nation's ideals? Surely not in the lower house of congress that is under their control with party loyalty. Both parties are guilty. For the LH to call out only the Dems is a joke.

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Scarecrow57

Jun-17-13 11:48 AM

The IRS scandal is just a symtom of the Disease. there is also the unethical behavior coming form this administration beginning with Fast and Furious, and including the AP Scandal, PRSIM, Warrantless spying, and all of the stuff we don't hear about.

FOX is reporting today that there were also supervisors in Washington DC that were involved.

The top dog sets the tone for the organization. Given who the top dog is there is no wonder this is the most dishonest, scandalous group going.

hxxp://www[dot]foxnews[dot]com/politics/2013/06/17/irs-supervisor-in-dc-scrutinized-tea-party-cases/

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Hilltopper

Jun-17-13 11:55 AM

It's good to see Fox doing what it does best, insuring another Democratic White House in 2016.

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rocky1

Jun-17-13 12:36 PM

If this was the only scandal coming out of Washington, then I might be able to agree with HIlltopper, but as it stands, these scandals are hitting every month now. I call it Fast and Furious part 2. No wonder our President has to take a billion dollar vacation to South Africa. He needs a vacation so he can lay low for awhile.

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Scarecrow57

Jun-17-13 1:11 PM

Hilltopper "It's good to see Fox doing what it does best, insuring another Democratic White House in 2016."

How is that?? By telling the Truth????

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Scarecrow57

Jun-17-13 1:12 PM

Exactly rocky1. This not a one off event. It is representative of the attitude and problems due to the lack of leadership in the White House.

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DaveGibson

Jun-17-13 1:30 PM

The IRS isn't targeting Tea Party organizations because they're conservative. They're targeting them because they're applying for 501(c)4 status to be tax exempt. To qualify for 501(c)4, the group must be non-political. Show me a Tea Party group that's non-political.

The IRS also scanned for applications with the word "progressive" in their name.

This is no scandal at all. Only a contrived one.

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Scarecrow57

Jun-17-13 1:46 PM

Actually Dave, Wikipedia has a good description of 501(c)(4)

unlike 501(c)(3) organizations, they may also participate in political campaigns and elections, as long as its primary activity is the promotion of social welfare.

You statement is blatantly false. Also know that the Sierra Club is also a 501(c)(4). And they are highly political.

hxxp://en[dot]wikipedia[dot]org/wiki/501(c)_organization#501.28c.29.284.29

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DaveGibson

Jun-17-13 1:52 PM

Sorry Scarecrow, but what you are saying is dead wrong. The Koch brothers spent $40 million on political ads for republicans, and are a 501(c)4. Are you trying to say that they're promoting the social welfare?

And the Sierra Club? They promote the environment, not politics, as their primary focus. What is the focus of a Tea Party group? Politics.

As soon as a 501(c)4 spends money on a political campaign, they are in violation of their application for tax exempt status. That is fraud. People may be going to jail, all right, but you might be surprised to see who.

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TiredOfTax

Jun-17-13 1:59 PM

The Obama orchestrates this type of activities. Obama himself has gone on TV and also in personal appearance speeches belittling tea party ideals and visions. He has perpetrated attacks on tea party members and has falsely accused them of many things. Why wouldn't his administration follow this example? His lies to cover it all up is nauseating as well as his propensity to cast blame. If as some claim they did not target the tea party but their eligibility for tax exempt status... why did it take over a year to process? I would just rubber stamp a REJECT in big red letters right across the form and hand it back. About 2 minutes worth of work. It was all about targeted aggravation and anyone that thinks otherwise is, well simply on the presidents side, blind to what is truly right and wrong and ready to fight to keep their mighty leader in his lofty chair. Or ignorant, you choose!

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Pards13

Jun-17-13 2:29 PM

I wonder how much George Soros has spent?

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Scarecrow57

Jun-17-13 2:47 PM

Sorry Dave, did you even read the link??? change the hxxp to ****, change the [dot] to a "."

From the IRS - "The promotion of social welfare does not include direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. However, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity. However, any expenditure it makes for political activities may be subject to tax under section 527(f)"

Clearly the Sierra Club is involved heavily in Politics. Please tell me you are not that blind.

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LoyalSocialist

Jun-17-13 3:08 PM

Both parties are to blame for the mess that we are in. 50+ years of the wealthy running this place into the ground all for money and power. We need representation that knows how it is to earn their position and must be equal to his/her fellow man. "We the people" no longer exists. It's "we the entitled".

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Pards13

Jun-17-13 3:16 PM

off of sierra club site - content.sierraclub****/politics-election Put the appropriate hash marks and such.

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DaveGibson

Jun-17-13 4:14 PM

Scarecrow - "a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity."

Exactly. Thank you for proving my point. What is the primary activity of the Tea Party and its various chapters? Promoting conservative candidates. The Tea Party is not a conservative think tank like the Heritage Foundation of America, a valid 501(c)4.

TOT - the IRS received 60,000 applications for non-profit status last year. 501(c)4 applications were double the usual number. Their budget was cut by $1 billion. Everyone waits. Figure it out.

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Scarecrow57

Jun-17-13 4:41 PM

Dave Gibson - They no more do that than any of the socialist organizations supported by Obama. But just to be clear

"The Tea Party is a grassroots movement that calls awareness to any issue which challenges the security, sovereignty, or domestic tranquility of our beloved nation, the United States of America. From our founding, the Tea Party represents the voice of the true owners of the United States: WE THE PEOPLE."

They are no not primarily pushing political candidates, no more than the Sierra Club Promoted Obama, Opposed KeyStone, and wants the government to take action on the burning of fossil fuels.

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BillLair

Jun-17-13 4:52 PM

Dave, I love the way you label anyone that disagrees with as being, "Dead wrong." Any subject, any one.

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Pards13

Jun-17-13 5:01 PM

The tea party is really not a formal party in the sense of Demoncrats and Repugnants. They are very fragmented and in some cases hijacked by extreme people. It originally started by a rant of Rick Santelli on CNBC with the frustration by the way Washington was treating the common folk. The term goes back to the rascals that threw the tea overboard in Boston because of the taxation by England. To paint them all is right wing nutcases is wrong. Most of those folks paid their own way and yours with their own sweat blood and tears. Most of them are what Tom Brokaw calls the greatest generation and without those folks we would be speaking German or Japanese. Many of the groups that are now demonizing the "Tea Party Nuts" would have been persecuted out of existence.

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Hilltopper

Jun-17-13 5:23 PM

I would question how many of the WW2 vets are Tea Party Members. Coming from a generation that was brought up without assistance from Uncle Sam, they are either fine with that or believe that everyone deserves a chance. I believe the later is the case, especially since they too recieve SS benefits, food stamps if needed, or whatever help they need.

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BillLair

Jun-17-13 5:38 PM

Hilltopper, I don't think Pards meant the Tea Party is made up of mostly those who are referred to as the greatest generation, but rather people who are analogous to that generation. Patriots, not looking for handouts, willing to fulfill a responsibilty, want to make as much of themselves as they can, willing to sacrifice, rather than holding a hand out for what someone else worked for, etc. MO of Pards post.

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Pards13

Jun-17-13 5:39 PM

You probably right many of the vets are gone. I too believe that everyone is entitled to a chance. I don't believe you are entitled to a living off the public dole. I believe the system is screwed up and the system encourages long term dependence on the government. I believe that everyone is entitled to a chance for a job but the job should go to the most qualified. If it is not me then I should do everything I can do to improve myself rather than whine that I should have gotten the job. The problem with this country is everyone believes that we are entitled to whatever the other guy has and we should have it now. Until that attitude changes we will continue to deteriorate.

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rschweizer

Jun-17-13 5:43 PM

Pards13, that's exactly the argument that needs to be stressed: that the tea 'party' isn't an actual party at all; rather it's just a bunch of extremists latching onto the Republican Party, all the while claiming to have its own ideals while endorsing people the R's already endorse.

So at the end of the day, the R's are hurt, left with true Republican candidates it's endorsed that are made to seem extremist thanks fo the tea endorsement.

The R Party needs to show some spine and tell the tea 'party' to buzz off already if they want to be taken seriously again.

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MrBoB51

Jun-17-13 5:46 PM

A little clarification seems to be in order here, The TEA Party stands for (T)axed (E)nough (A)lready. Nothing more, nothing less. Those of you who do not feel YOU'RE being taxed enough please send the Treasury more, everybody else..you're TEA. Now, about all those 'rules' Gibson spoke about...you have to understand that he means those rules only apply to non-progressives and if we don't like that, progressives with undisciplined minds and chaotic collectivist ideas will invent some more 'special' rules for us.

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MrBoB51

Jun-17-13 6:02 PM

Rs, You are the one that's not taken seriously here pal, are you going to work on that or should somebody just tell you to buzz off, as you suggest??? I can understand your point of view though. To a progressive anybody who believes they are Taxed Enough Already IS an 'extremist'. So, don't continue to be a phoney Rs, send all your money to the treasury and you'll feel better.

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DaveGibson

Jun-17-13 6:05 PM

Bill Lair - LOL! That was in response to Scarecrow's "You statement is blatantly false." What's the difference?

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