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Mergers part of solution

March 21, 2013

Gov. Andrew Cuomo appears to view municipal consolidation and sharing of services as the panacea for cash-strapped municipalities across the stat....

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rschweizer

Mar-23-13 6:48 PM

HAHA! TiredOfTax is given facts backed by actual data; and because that doesn't support the direction of the wind, which in turn provides her logic, simply dismisses it with a 'nah, those numbers are cooked.' What a moron. Really. What an absolute troll.

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laker88

Mar-23-13 8:35 AM

Tot...You don't believe the numbers, but all of the numbers/stats that you quote in your posts are accurate?? I'd like to see evidence of how we'd "do fine without them."

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TiredOfTax

Mar-22-13 11:52 PM

Dave I do not believe the numbers. They are cooked up daily to say what they want. I would cut NYC out of NYS and they can keep the name as well! Call us Revived State! I am sure we will do fine without them!

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TiredOfTax

Mar-22-13 11:48 PM

The regimes that rein today in NY as well as the country... ARE THE PROBLEM!

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bobcrane

Mar-22-13 2:14 PM

Talk about consolidation!! Check out NYS double-dippers and see who is on that growing list of combined compen$ation consolidaters....remarkable how they get $$$$$ and want you to take less and tax you more and more so they can get MORE.....New Jersey is even better at this .............no wonder we are going bankrupt.....and to think we do not have a AAA credit anymore....only AA and $16T in debt.

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DaveGibson

Mar-22-13 12:02 PM

Scarecrow- I can't post a link here, but google "Downstate Pays More, Upstate Gets More: Does It Matter?" The top link will be to the Rockefeller Institute's article.

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Scarecrow57

Mar-22-13 11:18 AM

DaveGibson - "downstate supplies upstate financially. Upstate provides only 28% of Albany's budget, but gets 60% of it back."

I have to say BS to this. Do you have a reliable source?

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usedtolivethere

Mar-22-13 10:01 AM

How can anyone disagree with a question?

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usedtolivethere

Mar-22-13 8:04 AM

TOT Not ever again? did you vote for Cuomo?

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DaveGibson

Mar-22-13 7:53 AM

Scarecrow - downstate supplies upstate financially. Upstate provides only 28% of Albany's budget, but gets 60% of it back.

I agree with Annarondac. Property taxes are the absolutely worst form of taxation there is. The fairest way to raise taxes is by income tax. Next would be sales tax. The danger in those, though, is that you would drive high income earners out of the state. All states would have to do it.

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Scarecrow57

Mar-22-13 2:28 AM

Annarondac - Totally agree. Especially in the information age where it is easy to get and share the income information. That way, to retirees and elderly don't have to worry about losing their homes.

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Scarecrow57

Mar-22-13 2:26 AM

I have to agree with Disco Duck... NYC and LI need to e their own state. Not only are they a drain on the entire state financially, but they are a different world with a different lifestyle. No way should the people of NYC tell upstaters how to live, and vice versa.

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rschweizer

Mar-21-13 9:57 PM

Portnoy, if we made the stupidvisors councilmen, they'd just have yet another excuse to raise their salaries. Not to mention all the new powers they'd then have.

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rschweizer

Mar-21-13 9:52 PM

Discobulous, get nyc off your back? Upstate would lose billions in tax revenue.

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Annarondac

Mar-21-13 9:37 PM

School taxes should come from income rather than from just people who own property. It originally came from income earners. I agree with mandate relief. No mandates unless the state can afford it.

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laker88

Mar-21-13 8:08 PM

I totally agree with the point made in the editorial that consolidation alone will mean nothing unless the state gets rid of some of their expensive mandates that are crippling local school districts and burdening taxpayers. In fact, districts should refuse to even look at consolidation until the state makes some guarantees of mandate relief. Every time elections come around, we hear candidates spouting about mandate relief...yet it keeps getting worse, as the promises keep getting broken. The Districts should unite with the same message....NO consolidation talks until the State finally comes forth with mandate relief.

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ishouldknow

Mar-21-13 6:06 PM

How about the cities having their Stupidvisors also serve as councilpeople! That would also make them closer to the people.

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Scarecrow57

Mar-21-13 3:47 PM

@adkkev - Which is why the State should pay 100% of the medicaid costs. In fact, all state mandates should be paid 100% by the state.

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adkkev

Mar-21-13 3:32 PM

When you have a non-profit like the Fulton County ARC with a large Medicaid cost in a county with a relatively small population like Fulton County to spread the cost, then obviously the cost to the local taxpayer is much higher than in a larger county. The Fulton County ARC is the 5th largest ARC in the state & this is certainly not the 5th most populous.

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YDirector

Mar-21-13 2:52 PM

If cash strapped municipalities should merge as a means to solve their problems, why isn't the governor proposing to merge New York state with a neighboring state like Connecticut, Pennsylvania, or Vermont?

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Flapper

Mar-21-13 2:49 PM

By breaking cost down to the county level the more affluent counties can drive the "entitled" and their cost to other less affluent areas.

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Scarecrow57

Mar-21-13 2:35 PM

Dave agreed. Look at the fire companies in the county - 18 independent agencies, each with 4 to 6 apparatus. Total in the county are around 80 pieces of equipment. For a population of 55,000 over such a small area that is a lot of excess equipment.

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DaveGibson

Mar-21-13 1:52 PM

Why stop at the two cities? Consolidate the whole county into one medium sized city of 55,000.

As for Medicaid, those programs are funded best when spread over the largest population possible. If it can't be funded at the federal level, then it should at least be at the state level. Dropping it to the county level places too great a burden on poor counties.

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Scarecrow57

Mar-21-13 1:48 PM

Not for nothing, but the "Twin Cities" are PRIME candidates for consolidation. Gloversville has a population of 17,000 and Johnstown is 8,000; a combined tiny city of 25,000. There is totally no need for 2 police departments, 2 fire departments, 2 DPWs, and 2 sets of administrative staff. Imagine the saving buy going from 2 chiefs in Police and Fire to just 1 each. That alone would be a saving of $200,000 - assuming the base salary is $60,000.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-21-13 1:39 PM

His plans do not ever make total sense, he puts in a tax cap but does nothing about the mandates. He put up a crappy gun control(les) bill and will not even compromise on the clip size to fit what is manufactured... the man has no follow through to do what is needed to make it right. He will not ever again get a vote from me.

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