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Boy Scouts must choose

March 20, 2013

The Boy Scouts have helped millions of boys during the organization’s more than 100-year history....

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Stackrat

Mar-20-13 5:33 PM

We should get a government agency to tell us/them what to do.

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MrBoB51

Mar-20-13 5:39 PM

That's the goal stack. We'll have to wait to see if they bought into the premise gays belong there in the first place.

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Skrocki

Mar-20-13 6:01 PM

With that choice comes consequences. If BSA continues to discriminate, it will not be eligible for state and federal funding. It will not be able to conduct BSA activities in public schools. It is currently illegal in NYS public schools to discriminate based on sexual orientation on school property.

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rschweizer

Mar-20-13 6:18 PM

I don't see the issue. I mean, if the organization wants to be representative all American boys, then why not?

Also, there was an episode of the Simpsons in the early 90's that involved a seemingly gay scoutmaster. So if they can do it, so can the Boy Scouts.

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rschweizer

Mar-20-13 6:20 PM

Ah, yes, the 'FORCE them to do it' approach. That always seems to work. Not! I say let them make the decision themselves on and their own without the treat of lawsuits or litigation.

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MrBoB51

Mar-21-13 8:07 AM

What can a gay scout leader teach a young man that a normal man can't? Now, who's going to be the first one who thinks it's ok to discriminate against my belief that gays are not normal? Discrimination works both ways.

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usedtolivethere

Mar-21-13 8:13 AM

I'll be the first one. You allow yourself to define normal. Minority is a better word. Those of you who think that people are gay by choice need to answer this question: Why would anyone choose to become part of a persecuted minority?

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usedtolivethere

Mar-21-13 8:15 AM

And discrimination, as you use it, is also incorrect. I disagree with you. Discrimination implies that somehow I'm hurting you. Words mean things.

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Pards13

Mar-21-13 9:06 AM

All I see is welfare for lawyers. They let them in they get sued. They keep them out they get sued. I think the Leader Herald had it right when they put the editorial in the Obits. The Boy Scouts attempted to teach self-reliance and morality, both of which are in very short supply.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-21-13 9:17 AM

Common sense (the old version) says that young people of different genders should be separated in certain circumstances. I believe that abnormal beliefs should be excluded from participation in certain activities. The moral fiber that has been representative of the BSA sense 1910 should be allowed to continue. I do not get why you must always change the programs that you do not fit in, why not start your own and if there are others that agree, you will overwhelm the prior group into submission. I agree that we should promote gay acceptance but not condone changing everything to meet homosexuals expectations.

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usedtolivethere

Mar-21-13 11:02 AM

homosexuality is an "abnormal belief"? TOT, what is your source for that gem?

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usedtolivethere

Mar-21-13 11:05 AM

TOT, you belive we should promote gay acceptance in one breath, then say that abnormal beliefs should be excluded and imply that gay scouts would jeopardize the "moral fiber" of scouts? You should stay away from this subject as you lose what little credibility you might have.

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Annarondac

Mar-21-13 11:07 AM

Do what the Girl Scouts do and there would be no issue.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-21-13 1:35 PM

Aparently used, this topic is a bit too close to home for you to comment on as your emotional posts are evident. I as a parent would not want my gay child subjected to the treatment that they would be exposed to in a "scouting" situation and also I would not want my straight child subjected to the gay influence under that very same "scouting" situation. What I do not understand is why do YOU get the right to change the MASSES to cater to the few that are... abnormal? When the majority is of NORMAL sexual orientation wouldn't even you agree that a minority is the abnormality? Plus your preferences on this topic says a lot about your off center views on other topics. Do as you want but why does the world have to change for the few?

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usedtolivethere

Mar-21-13 2:21 PM

I never said that the world has to change for a few. You assumed that. Your compassion is only outweighed by your obvious bigotry.

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rschweizer

Mar-21-13 3:58 PM

TiredOfTax, perhaps people don't understand your argument of 'being subject' to gay this or straight that because there is nothing to be subject to. It's not a choice and it's not like the scouts would be taight to act any differently by a gay scoutmaster as a straight one.

If a scoutmaster is 'subjecting' hid scouts to anything sexual, be it gay or not, they could and should be prosecuted if anything; but that has nothing to do with their orientation.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-21-13 5:36 PM

RS, my comments were more to the boys but the leaders as well should be in line with traditional sexual values. I believe that a woman or gay man would be much more open to bringing up problems in certain scouting situations where a gesture may be interpreted in a way that causes a very awkward and maybe costly instance. I know that I would be more comfortable with people of "like" values to diminish the chances of trouble. Is't that what the scouts are supposed to be? A learning experience that should go as safely and uneventful as can be.

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usedtolivethere

Mar-21-13 7:12 PM

TOT, give up. Your hole is getting deeper. Just say "I hate gay people" and don't post again in this thread

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kaydont

Mar-22-13 6:30 AM

WOW people are you all that ignorant? If they want to be hateful then STOP taking government money and using schools or campgrounds at tax payers expense. Your small minded ignorance is a fading thing. Replace gay with "Black", "Jew" or 'Hispanic". Would you say no you're black you're abnormal? Ok some of you would. Teaching to hate because someone is different is SO getting old. Again stop taking money for your "private" KKK Nazi party! You shouldn't be allowed to have it both ways.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-22-13 7:34 AM

Oh yes I see as kaydont and used posts are filled with love. I am sick of you calling me hateful and recast and bigoted as you are the ones doing the name calling. Do you feel that your post healed someone? Did it take us all a step closer to joining hands and singing as we skip down the garden path? You are the hateful ones the intolerant ones the ones that demand change based on what... an insult or a name calling or a denial of the things that I as a TAXPAYER have funded??? Your disagrees do not make me wrong... they simply mean that you are still wrong. The way to solve problems is talk, not your liberal version of hate.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-22-13 7:38 AM

PS USED I never said that I hate you because you are gay, I have gay friends... just not liberal ones like you. I again tell you to follow your own advise and look into that mirror and see the hateful lying namecaller that you are.

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usedtolivethere

Mar-22-13 7:53 AM

I just hate intolerance. and how can someone be sick of us that doesn't care what we think? We point out truths that you don't want to face, and then project your faults on us. Typical conservative better-than-thou attitude

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usedtolivethere

Mar-22-13 7:54 AM

isn't gay conservative somewhat of an oxymoron?

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TiredOfTax

Mar-23-13 8:02 AM

Yes I see we still are off topic again and I still believe that the Boy Scouts of America should stand on their traditional values. It has not changed and those wanting to join do not have any reason to doubt their qualifications. If you want to join a club that hunts, camps and outdoor fun you wouldn't join a sewing circle and then insist to them it is wrong to sit and sew.

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gville70

Mar-24-13 9:08 PM

TOT should be ashamed but is not.. Doesn't know any better.. Anyway the scouts can be as small minded as they want as long as they don't take a dime of taxpayer money or meet in schools..TOT forgot that even non-bigots pay taxes.. BTW the 1800's called and they want their prejudice back

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