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March 12, 2013

National tragedies sometimes spur lawmakers to act on emotion. We are seeing examples of that after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. In New York state, Gov....

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Scarecrow57

Mar-12-13 12:17 PM

A persons Personal Information should not be available under FOIL. If that were the case then we could get people's tax returns and health records. FOIL only pertains inherently government operations and information.

That said. This SAFE act is doomed as soon as it hits the courts.

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rschweizer

Mar-12-13 12:28 PM

Scarecrow57, that's the point, though. Health records are personal, as are tax returns. But since you must apply for and be granted a permit, you're subrogating yourself to public information since the permit is issued by the government. That's why marriages, divorces, real estate purchases, births, and deaths are all subject to the same.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-12-13 1:24 PM

rschweizer, so you would not see any harm in releasing the names and addresses of lets say for instance a list of same sex married couples on a clickable map then? They had to apply for a government licence that you're subrogating yourself to! Or do you want to make exemptions as YOU yourself feel are fitting?

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rschweizer

Mar-12-13 1:55 PM

ToT: 'so you would not see any harm in releasing the names and addresses of lets say for instance a list of same sex married couples on a clickable map then'

No, I didn't say that at all (you simply made that up). What I said was I thought Scarecrow's argument was a little weakened considering the examples I cited.

Nothing is stopping you from making your own 'clickable map' with married couples. Trouble for you is married couples aren't in the hot seat like gun owners; there's still nothing stopping you, is there? No.

And you can already do the same for real estate. This would be no different.

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Skrocki

Mar-12-13 1:56 PM

TOT, There is no such thing as a same-sex marriage license. You are either married or you're not.

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Hilltopper

Mar-12-13 3:13 PM

RS: FYI death certificates are not subject to FOIL. Also, your point about applying to and being granted by the government leaves me desiring the same special dispensation welfare recipients are afforded, as they are shielded from public scrutiny. They, by the way, are a burden to taxpayers. No such burden is evoked by gun permit holders.

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taxtired

Mar-12-13 4:27 PM

The criminals can't get weapons by purchasing them. So why give them a data base to steal them.

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rschweizer

Mar-12-13 5:13 PM

Hilltopper, death certs are issued to certain people, like children or parents of the person who have passed.

Taxtired, you're making an assumption that all criminals steal guns.

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taxtired

Mar-12-13 5:20 PM

Well they can't buy them. The background check has been in place for while. Well before Andy's safe act.

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taxtired

Mar-12-13 5:20 PM

It is a very good assumtion too.

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rschweizer

Mar-12-13 6:32 PM

taxtired, no, not a good assumption at all. There are certain 'criminals' who can in fact buy guns. I don't think you'd be barred from buying a gun for a reckless driving conviction, for example, although I'm sure you'll correct me if wrong.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-12-13 6:45 PM

New Jersey mom Eileen Hart was arrested and her guns confiscated after she spoke out at a public meeting on property appraisals.

New Jersey mother Eileen Hart was arrested and her guns confiscated after she attended a community meeting on property appraisals and spoke about her Constitutional rights. The Examiner reported:

Eileen Hart and her husband, Keith, are property owners in Newfield, New Jersey.

On Saturday, March 9 there was an informal meeting at the Gloucester Community Center, to discuss the findings on “revaluations” by Appraisal Systems, Inc.- a company which has been contracted by the state of New Jersey- to assess the fair market property values for each county or borough- for the tax assessor’s offices.

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TiredOfTax

Mar-12-13 9:32 PM

I was using the same sex marriage idea only for an example that could be extorted to cause a lot of trouble. I do not believe that private information should ever be released by anyone including the media.

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usedtolivethere

Mar-13-13 6:00 AM

So, TOT, once again using the Constitution to suit your agenda. The first Amendment was passed before the second Amendmant (sic), but you hold the 2nd Amendmeant (sic) to a different standard? Another example of your twisted hypocrasy (sic)

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TiredOfTax

Mar-13-13 7:59 AM

usedtolivethere, finally you had a good thought... but if you had actually read anything that I have written over the many years here is that I prefer that government be invisible to me. In that I mean much less government in my everyday life. This means letting everyone get on with their lives until such time as they infringe on or impede anothers rights to do the same. Smaller government, fewer laws and people that respect our right to our pursuit of safety, to prosper and happiness. And in now way am I saying a lawless society or an old out west mentality, just a chance to live life unencumbered with restrictions on every aspect of life. Most people were taught to take care of themselves back in the day... now they are given a manual on how to get the country to give to them everything that they need and what they are supposed to do every second of every day, like your needs?

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taxtired

Mar-13-13 8:10 AM

You assume right rs. I consider a criminal someone with at least one felony.

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MrBoB51

Mar-13-13 8:26 AM

Does anyone believe that everyone has the right to know everything about anybody?

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drugsrus

Mar-13-13 9:29 AM

good question MrBoB

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MomOf1

Mar-13-13 10:04 AM

Why is whether or not I own a handgun the business of every Tom, Dick and Harry who lives in my county? Having that kind of information published (as it was by the Journal News) just puts a target on people. It lets criminals know where they can go to possibly steal handguns and who may be vulnerable to a crime because they are not gun owners.

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Pards13

Mar-13-13 11:54 AM

If I remember my US history the Bill of rights were all ratified at the same time and one amendment was not more important than any other. Whether I have a gun permit really is not anyone's business except mine. Personal information is too readily accessible without any accountability for the one accessing it. If someone wants to access my information there should be record that is traceable to that person otherwise it should remain private.

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Insane

Mar-13-13 12:26 PM

There are many problems with disclosing who has a hand gun. Things like outdated information and a different person may be living there. Police officers and correction officers have permits do we want criminals to know where they live. It's also a road map to people who don't have guns and may be targeted. Or the gun owners home may be targeted by a thief and go after the gun thus putting another gun on the street endangering the public. Nope, nothing good can come from publishing that information. For those that feel that we should how about we publish your tax return.

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rschweizer

Mar-13-13 12:27 PM

taxtired, except you'd be wrong. You can serve jail time for misdemeanors, be considered a criminal (you know, for having committed a crime!) and still get a gun.

This is of course what the law says, and not what you consider, which doesn't really matter in that regard.

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taxtired

Mar-13-13 12:29 PM

rs I never said ALL criminals. Read what it says.

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taxtired

Mar-13-13 12:34 PM

Rs You should be making pretzels the way you twist words.

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taxtired

Mar-13-13 12:37 PM

rs According to you then everyone who has ever had a parking ticket is a criminal then. After all it is breaking the law. LOL

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