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Saturday delivery change OK

February 14, 2013

The U.S. Postal Service’s decision to cut service on Saturdays comes as no surprise. Much has been written about the post office’s financial problems....

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bobcrane

Feb-18-13 12:37 PM

the average postal worker makes $84K....................yes thats $84,000.00 per year w/bennies. SOON the mail will be only delivered monday, wed. and fri.

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Knickman

Feb-16-13 4:54 PM

HT: Absolutely not. SS benefits are generally much smaller. I am just pointing out that persons in the SS program have to contribute a similar amount.

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Hilltopper

Feb-16-13 2:10 PM

So then what are you saying, social security benefits, similar to those earned through 7% contributions, should be reined in because they also are excessive?

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Knickman

Feb-16-13 11:41 AM

Hilltopper, That 7% noted in the postal retirement as a contribution is a similar amount to what one pays to SS. I will tell you that I have a family member who will have his 30 years in the postal service this July. He will be 58. If he does not already have 40 quarters in he is close. He will probably get a private sector job and work until at least 62. His wife who teaches in a non-public school will probably work til she is 62 and carry the insurance. I believe at 65, they will be eligible for medicare. The point I am trying to make is everyones situation is different. Some people have some savings or made wise investments to help them thru their golden years.Some people spent money like water and have nothing to fall back on. There are a lot of people approaching retirement with absolutely nothing other than SS and related benefits. I generally think postal and for that matter public sector retirees are better off than their private sector counterparts.

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drugsrus

Feb-16-13 10:29 AM

Right BoB, it is true that sometimes you are the dog and sometimes the hydrant, but you do your best to minimize thse losing deals. Sometimes you do a break even (or just below) out of the kindness of your heart, or as a favor, or maybe even to get some good public relations and ink. That said, when a big contract comes around you need to make sure the ducks are lined up.

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MrBoB51

Feb-16-13 8:40 AM

No honest business person can say they have never made a boneheaded decision. I sure have. You do what you think is best for your success. Sometimes you win, sometimes the bear gets you but you always stay in the game. (Until you believe it's time to sell your Client list, relax and bake bread).

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MrBoB51

Feb-16-13 8:19 AM

Better Hill. I cultured a sourdough starter around 10 years ago the old-fashioned way. I never use yeast anymore. Now I have a rye starter, whole wheat and plain white. Nice hobby. Now, back to the topic.

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usedtolivethere

Feb-16-13 7:36 AM

TOT...."nasty replies"? Pot, once again, meet kettle

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Hilltopper

Feb-15-13 9:20 PM

Its adjusted by some formula because of the federal retirement to about $100-$200 a month SS benefits. Most with 40 quarters got them before their USPS career, or 30-40 years ago when salaries were low.

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Knickman

Feb-15-13 8:14 PM

OK Hilltopper, I will go along with the idea of up to 4 post offices per postmaster. That about social security; Isn't true that if a person gets 40 quarters or more from employment other than from the post office (in the private sector), he or she would be eligible for SS benefits at age 62? Collectively between the 2 wouldn't he or she be in pretty good shape?

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drugsrus

Feb-15-13 7:21 PM

swizzer- I shouldn't have to tell you this . Biz101 -you price yourself to a) make a decent profit b) if you can't make money at the going price-- don't bid, c) be fair in your pricing --d) IF you are really good, your price will be a bit higher BUT your reputation, and performance make price a non-issue.

Again I must ask- What did you learn in school??? to answer your 2nd paragraph -- yup, you were inept.

A few yrs. ago I was involved w/a company that was looking into a new 3 yr gov't contract. 2 other people in related businesses and I all came up w/the same figure needed to perform the contract. The winning bid was w-a-y below that number. We didn't even blink and said tootles, and never looked back.

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Hilltopper

Feb-15-13 6:36 PM

Knickman: A 30 years a retired mailman can expect a pension of about 30K a year before taxes, and to pay about 6K per year for health insurance for himself and his wife, plus all the co-pyay and deductibles. That's after contributing 7% of his gross for 30 years. Postal employees hired before 1982 don't get to collect social security. If you consider 2K a month before taxes out of line, so be it. I don't agree that two small post offices should share a postmaster, it should be more like four small offices per PM.

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rschweizer

Feb-15-13 6:17 PM

drugs, you started by saying that ALL biz who land gov contracts make some sort of killing and that that was bad, albeit using some sarcasm ('it's like hitting the lottery'). I made it very clear using personal experience that that isn't always the case.

Then you criticized me and my biz (which has employees and their salaries and benefits to consider) in saying that because we weren’t making ENOUGH of a profit from the gov that I was somehow inept (‘…you didn't think it through’).

I find myself in a druggy-meets-Joseph Hel-ler Catch-22 situation: do I price myself TOO high in a bid for a government contract and risk not getting it, but IF I do get it, I’d be ‘hitting the lottery’; OR do I price it low to increase my chances of getting the contract BUT making such a low profit that it barely pays the bills BUT I get to have some clout for having business contacts to land future work from private companies who are more willing to work with people like me with gov work experience?

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rschweizer

Feb-15-13 5:46 PM

Drugs, you arent aware of the covenants or agreements in that contract, so do me a favor and spare the grief.

If you'd finished the comment, you'd have understood that a lot of businesses with government contracts show an interest in them for the 'prestige' and ability to then use the contacts as reference to land others.

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Knickman

Feb-15-13 5:40 PM

I happened to noticed that 2 people disagree with my post about a postmaster taking care of post offices, about being more aggressive about contracts, and bring pensions more in line with the private sector. Why would anyone disagree? Probably because they have a conflict of interest either being a postal or some other such public sector employee.

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Hilltopper

Feb-15-13 5:40 PM

BoB: If you can make rye bread as good as Rauch's you missed your calling. My mother, the daughter of Polish immigrants, had high praise for it and whenever I was in Gloversville I brought her a loaf down to Amsterdam. It always made her day.

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drugsrus

Feb-15-13 5:19 PM

swizzer- if you made a deal that bad, then you didn't learn much all those years in school. Either that or you jumped at it so fast you didn't think it through. Like the new NY gun law. Either way and bottom line it was your mistake. I've been involved in gov't contracts and they can be a big plus to businesses bottom line

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TiredOfTax

Feb-15-13 5:11 PM

rschweizer "ToT, I'm not sure where you got any of your colorful commentary from" Really? Do you not even read your OWN posts? In the first post to me you said "ToT- the USPS isn't a government agency; it's a contracted private agency with some government oversight. Simple knowledge of what you're talking about will have taught you this, or just reading the article. To say it's a 'governmemt entity' is categorically and factually incorrect." My reply was to that, are you so daft as to not remember what you have typed or is it that you type so much that you simply cannot remember all of your nasty replies?

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rschweizer

Feb-15-13 3:02 PM

You sure about that, drugs? I had a government contract ($275k per year for 3 years) that I couldn't wait to get out of after the term was up because it got to the point where I was actually paying them to do their work, that's how low the net was after costs when you factored in my employees' salaries. It was great because I could use that as a reference for other potential clients, including private, but I certainly learned a lesson to actually not contract with the government anymore.

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drugsrus

Feb-15-13 2:48 PM

I want a cell phone tower

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drugsrus

Feb-15-13 2:48 PM

anytime you can rent to the government it's like hitting the lottery

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drugsrus

Feb-15-13 2:47 PM

more junk mail for Monday

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laker88

Feb-15-13 12:07 PM

thanks ishouldknow...eyeopening to say the least...

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ishouldknow

Feb-15-13 12:04 PM

Laker88 Yes, $9700/month, and the owner owns several of them. He also owns several State Police barracks, the Mobil mart in Mayfield and several other stations around the area that he rents.

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MrBoB51

Feb-15-13 8:24 AM

Yeah, like mine...short term hurt, long term gain. At least the Postal service is trying to do something. Hill's post was really good, but I think mass mailings get a cheaper rate due to sheer volume, there's a lot of Wally-worlds across the country. Anyhow, somebody must be really bored to disagree with a spelling correction. Time to make rye bread, everybody have a great day!!

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