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Districts need good leaders

February 12, 2013

On the horizon — and already taking hold — are many changes in the way we think about education....

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taxtired

Feb-12-13 12:58 PM

The taxes will still go up with the merger.

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taxtired

Feb-12-13 1:01 PM

The talent is great LH. Paid vacations for two.

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MrBoB51

Feb-12-13 2:15 PM

So, in the end, more Administrators competing for fewer jobs should bring salaries down not up, therefore that cost is not the real problem. The 800lb. gorilla in the room is the teachers union where around 85% of our property tax IN EVERY NYS SCHOOL DISTRICT goes folks. That's not on the horizon, its in your wallet already. 'There are many changes in the way we think about education'. You're****right! We think the teachers union is a waste of our money considering the pi**poor return on our investment. That's what needs to change.

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Hilltopper

Feb-12-13 2:56 PM

BOB: Real world supply and demand theories do not apply to the school district employees' wages and contracts. Up until now the cold cruel reality of the world beyond campus has not reached the educational community, much like Disneyland.

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HonestAbe

Feb-12-13 4:27 PM

Districts have always hired and offered salaries the same or higher than the outgoing Administrator/Superintendent. This has got to change. Districts can no longer afford to pay these ridiculous salaries and benefit packages. I think all these schools need to keep in mind that if a person wants a job bad enough that will take whatever salary you are offering. Its time to dial back the salaries in these struggling districts.

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PleaseGetAClue

Feb-12-13 4:47 PM

It's not about money....it's a question of quality of life, why would anyone want to relocate to this area?....look around. Would you pack up your family and move them here? if your answer is yes, please explain to me why.

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rschweizer

Feb-12-13 7:11 PM

Not true, HonestAbe. Districts typically see a reduction in salary to incoming versus outgoing. You're typically paid more based on your experience, so unless the person coming in has the experience and track record of the one going out, then there typically is a savings for newer talent.

Agreed the unions have a big say in this, but they alone aren't the problem. What about the school boards who cave in no small part to the whims of the union?

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MrBoB51

Feb-12-13 7:51 PM

I can't answer why someone would relocate here but I can tell you why I won't leave...My maternal ancestors have been in this area since the French-Indian Wars. They survived and learned to live with the Iroquois Nation, helped defeat the British (a couple of times) and helped forge this Nation. In a word, pride.

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MrBoB51

Feb-12-13 8:00 PM

Back to the subject. If the return on our investment in the education system in NYS were measured in value it would be lower than that of penny-stocks which at least had a dollar value attached. Ask yourself, if offered would you buy 'education stocks'???

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rschweizer

Feb-12-13 8:09 PM

MrBoB51, there is no incentive. Funny thing is schools in Westchester and Rockland Counties actually pay more in most instances, and sure they complain about that, but that only. They sure as h-ell donn't complain that their students fare better after graduation.

Upstate schools complain about high taxes and then more when they see all that money went to paying for 70% grad rates, pregnant by 17, and drug-busted hy 19, while their teachers continue to be paid regardless of any incentive for their students to actually do well.

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JoePhillip

Feb-12-13 8:54 PM

Did the merger of Broadalbin and Perth attract the top talent in leadership?

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gville70

Feb-12-13 10:03 PM

what would be nice ? Maybe a superintendant with business background and not a gym teacher..

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getreal

Feb-13-13 7:23 AM

Get a Clue I can answer your question...Nine years ago My family relocated to the area..reasons..Living on Long Island paying 11,000 in taxes a year with at least 7,000 going towards the school district was insane! My home I own here would be worth 500,000 on LI, is that not reason enough, my children also have fewer children in there classes at school, and they their grades are top in their class.

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 8:09 AM

Keep in mind this is about the 15% or so of our school tax dollars. It's more about stepping on a dollar to pick up a dime while tying to heard cats. The biggest impediment to education is the teachers union, they are just not worth our investment. If the union thinks its such a benefit, let each school district taxpayers vote on whether they want our children union educated or not. This should not be left up to administrators or politicians. Put it in the hands of voters and I promise to live with the results. Anybody else?

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 8:10 AM

...sorry..'herd cats'...

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Farfromcenter

Feb-13-13 8:18 AM

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 9:07 AM

Rs, your last post was dead on. In my opinion too many parents let schools, and by extension teachers, become permanent care-takers of their children and expect them to do their parenting job for them (that and the T.V.). What you got in return is a disaster and as Rs said, 'no incentive' for the teacher or student to excel.

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adkgirl

Feb-13-13 9:36 AM

Need to look at bigger picture. Education needs to be conducted online. Only people with kids pay for. No bullying, school shootings, physical buildings, busing, etc. Children can get enrichment/sports through Scouts, 4-H, church, and other community organizations.

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 9:45 AM

Adkgirl..nice. New type of old-school thinking, Home Schooling. One thing though, bulling on the internet is almost an Olympic Sport.

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 9:47 AM

Gotta love the disagree on farfromcenter's post!!!!! I thought it was pithy and to the point.

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drugsrus

Feb-13-13 9:57 AM

Farfrmcenter posts nothing and somebody hits the disagree button ??

swizzer- in Westchester and Rockland Counties generally people are more affluent, more engaged in the life of thier children and the kids are more respectful to teachers and parents. Attitude more than anything is what keeps graduation rates and grades up.

getreal's answer to "Pleasegetaclue" was right on, IF you are determined to stay in the Peoples Republic of New York

Bob- if pride is the only anchor keeping you there, I hope you don't go broke holding your head up. You won't lose any pride by leaving NYS and you will have someplace to visit. The only thing keeping me from moving back after 40 yrs. is that Fulton County is in NYS.

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PleaseGetAClue

Feb-13-13 10:08 AM

Getreal, so you're saying it was the tax break that brought you here from long island and not teh quality of life? I can respect that, but with no available jobs, no investment in children, asanine childish political infighting, high taxes for no services we are not the most attractive spot for a young administrator to be looking for work. If teh quality of life here was better, the salary would be a secondary point.

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drugsrus

Feb-13-13 10:09 AM

the real problem in schools is all the political correctness and lack of discipline. The problem with mass home schooling is that most parents aren't equipped to do it right. Plus the kiddies don't get the interaction needed to hone social skills.

adkgirl - Bob is right about bullying, BUT bullying will never go away. It still needs to be handled one on one, like the old days.

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drugsrus

Feb-13-13 10:15 AM

PleaseGetAClue - you have obviously lived in the area your whole life (so far). You fail to see all the good things around. The Histirical sites, not only in Johnstown, but Amsterdam, Saratoga and other places. The lakes, mountains, and general quiet atmosphere is all a plus. But as i said it is still in the Peoples Republic of New York.

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PleaseGetAClue

Feb-13-13 10:21 AM

Drugs, you're correct. I have lived here my whole life. I see the good things, but, the reality is that without good paying jobs and a real tax base we are becoming less and less of what we used to be and people do not look to relocate here.

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