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Board made fair decision

January 31, 2013

Facing a $500,000 shortfall, the Fonda-Fultonville Board of Education had to make some tough decisions in the district’s current budget....

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adkgirl

Feb-04-13 10:11 PM

One last thought. I think brick and mortar schools have run their course. Schooling should be virtual. Only people who have kids have to pay. No buildings with all the overhead. No busing and textbooks and SPORTS. No school shootings and bullying. Parents and community will have to actually raise their children.

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adkgirl

Feb-04-13 10:05 PM

We are small cogs in a very large wheel. Be careful what you wish for. Public education (preK-12 and SUNY) are the great equalizers. The government wants out of the business of public education. For profits want it. They will decide which populations gets served. They will cherry pick and take only the well behaved and academically capable.

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adkgirl

Feb-04-13 10:02 PM

Be careful what you wish for. People seem to applaud when state workers and teachers are let go. How is this good for the economy? They pay taxes (cannot hide or write off like some other groups can), they buy locally. 35,000 NYS teachers gone. Not buying cars, having work done on homes, not buying big ticket items, etc. How is this good for the economy?

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adkgirl

Feb-04-13 10:00 PM

I am also hearing spring sports are not "free". There is maintenance of fields, maintenance staff must be there when there is a sports contest, etc.

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adkgirl

Feb-04-13 9:58 PM

It worries me, where our priorities lay. My grandson has NO support systems. Both "parents" are a wreck Just got him into counseling and after school help. Now 3:15 bus run is gone as is Doc F. He also signed up for the pool for his phys. ed. block, now that is gone. How do we have boosters for sports? How does Brown volunteer bus time for sports? Why is no one advocating for academics? Why is there no booster club for academic classes being cut? Why is Brown not offering free bus runs for kids who stay after for extra help?

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adkgirl

Feb-04-13 9:58 PM

It worries me, where our priorities lay. My grandson has NO support systems. Both "parents" are a wreck Just got him into counseling and after school help. Now 3:15 bus run is gone as is Doc F. He also signed up for the pool for his phys. ed. block, now that is gone. How do we have boosters for sports? How does Brown volunteer bus time for sports? Why is no one advocating for academics? Why is there no booster club for academic classes being cut? Why is Brown not offering free bus runs for kids who stay after for extra help?

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JoePhillip

Feb-04-13 4:55 PM

Most definitely! Of course, who needs pilots when we have auto-pilot.

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Hilltopper

Feb-04-13 7:27 AM

Keep talking, Joe. Insult all you want, your union is dedicated to protecting knows it all bullies like you. When you are flying to Florida for winter break consider this. If your school produced airplanes instead of scholars, would you fly on one of those planes?

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Hilltopper

Feb-04-13 6:14 AM

Save your spelling, puncuation, and grammar corrections for your "kids". Spell check and WORD are much cheaper than paying you. Hang in there, winter break will be here soon.

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laker88

Feb-04-13 12:25 AM

I am a staunch defender of teachers, several family members are teachers. Those who only fixate on the 180 days and say it's a part time job need to walk in their shoes. However, with that said, I was a bit taken aback re Hill's previous commnent about 2 gym teachers making 90K!...maybe I'm out of touch, but is that the going rate, or is that a bit exorbitant?? or are there other circumstances with their jobs that warrant that kind of salary??

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JoePhillip

Feb-03-13 7:24 PM

Classy. I'll just put it in the o you left out of "crocdile." No wonder you hate teachers....they let you slip right on through. That's why that number 34 thing is meaningless -- we should be lower if our graduation standards were more realistic.

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Hilltopper

Feb-03-13 5:00 PM

You priced yourself out of the realm of affordability. Crocdile tears about large class sizes and cut's in staff are all the result of your greed. The gravy train has been derailed. When you start comparisons to other states where are we, number 34? Hang your hat on that.

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JoePhillip

Feb-03-13 3:05 PM

"Guy's" like me? Without getting into a lesson about your misuse of the apostrophe (probably had an old teacher that was sucked into the union vortex, not a "good, young" one), I am not sure how to continue the argument here, except to say that I believe education is such a complex thing that there is no one way to fix it all. You seem to think that if we got rid of the union, everything will improve. I'm sure South and North Carolina, Georgia, and some other states that disallow unionized teachers set that sterling example of great education that you seek.

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Hilltopper

Feb-03-13 10:28 AM

Guy's like you are the best possible example of why your union needs a PR overhaul. Put it in writing, if you are working year round and have extended days why not get paid? What's that, results don't count? You don't want accountability? Its society's and the parents' fault that schools are failing? We have total confidence that the educational community will have a new buzz word, a new program, a higher bar, and the same results. Good, young teachers with dedication and high standards will continue to be gobbled up by your type until they throw up their arms in disgust and become another liability, one step away from a 3020-A.

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JoePhillip

Feb-03-13 9:44 AM

Great idea, Hilltopper. As long as those educators from those "high performing countries" can bring along their societies, you know, the ones that value education and their teachers, I'm all for it. Most teachers I know do have extended days and years, just not on the clock.

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Hilltopper

Feb-03-13 9:13 AM

You are a sterling example of why the schools are failing. Arrogant know-it-all educators certainly have outlived their usefulness. Keep playing your fiddle as NYSUT continues to*****the marrow from the bone of the school. All a MA in education amounts is a higher pay scale for you with no difference in performance. Your union opposes a longer school day and school year. Why is that, because the kids are too smart? The time has come to start inviting educators from high performing countries to come here and fix it. Obviously you jokers can't.

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JoePhillip

Feb-02-13 10:59 PM

You've confused me, Hiltopper. I simply meant to imply that the ffcs "middle/low" employees made some heavy concessions when it is obvious that we should be looking at the "money people" that let us down here. This whole MA mentality, along with the July/August argument is showing your ignorance.

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Hilltopper

Feb-02-13 10:44 PM

A word to Joe: If you don't want to be a scapegoat for the failed educational system, take your MA degree and get a state job. Then you can be the scapegoat for the dysfunctional state government. You're better off staying where you are, at least you have July and August to get over it.

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JoePhillip

Feb-02-13 9:38 PM

I am also wondering. It seems the teachers gave and gave, but the fact remains that someone missed $500,000. I don't believe the teachers are at fault here. Why are they always the scapegoat?? How come the people running the business end of education aren't held accountable, but the teachers, and ultimately, the students pay the price?

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GReader

Feb-02-13 9:28 PM

Tax tired: It is the Ex K-12 Principal of O-E, who is now the current elementary principal at St. Johnsville, who has been placed on paid administrative leave, along with the current superintendent of O-E. The merger Facebook page has as clear a story as seems possible right now.

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adkgirl

Feb-02-13 6:25 PM

good question. Someone should find out where all the $ went.

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Hilltopper

Feb-02-13 5:54 PM

ADK: Yes, the FFTA gave salary and step. Since you brought up pay stubs, compare a top step FFSCD teacher with any other in the HFM BOCES and according to the CD Business Review your pay stub will be the highest, even with the freeze. Why the *ell do you think the district is in trouble?

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taxtired

Feb-02-13 3:34 PM

At least the union keeps the signs for the next time they don't get thier way.

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adkgirl

Feb-02-13 2:43 PM

All I am saying is teachers gave back on salary AND step. If you look at a pay stub, pay absolutely went down over last year. You can call it what you want, play with definitions, or semantics, but the FFTA has been recognized as one of the only associations that gave salary AND step.

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TheArchitect

Feb-02-13 1:14 PM

"adkgirl", there is no doubt that 'These blogs are not helpful either with people reporting incorrect info. as "facts"'. Your statement: "Everyone is making less." though is a undeniable example of the reporting of incorrect information. No one employee has ever had a year-to-year salary reduction. This may be a definition problem, again with the devil in the detail, since your premise is that a partial reduction in planned salary increases is a reduction in pay, when it is not.

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