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Reject bailout for Thruway

January 27, 2013

The Thruway Authority should be able to solve its financial problems without a bailout from state taxpayers. New York Gov....

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MrBoB51

Jan-27-13 7:42 AM

The thruway tolls should have ended in 1996 when the last construction bond was paid off. Nope. I ask again, why are the taxpayers of NYS always on the hook for these Authorities?

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Scarecrow57

Jan-27-13 8:23 AM

I question why I have to pay a toll to drive the Thruway and not one to drive the Northway. Make them both be toll roads, after all, they are similar in nature.

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taxtired

Jan-27-13 8:35 AM

bob, it is because they have to many highly paid chiefs and not enough indians.

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taxtired

Jan-27-13 9:00 AM

On the brighter side of things. It only costs me $50 for my season pass to use the entire canal system, locks included.

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ishouldknow

Jan-27-13 9:26 AM

Why not a bail-out for the HRBRRD!

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TiredOfTax

Jan-27-13 10:02 AM

EVERY government agency needs a bailout! It is because of the waste. I know never waste a good disaster is the democrat war cry but that is the only thing that they do not waste. After the money is gone because they took it to help others, who will be left to bail us out?

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Hilltopper

Jan-27-13 10:15 AM

The canal system is a joke and an albatross around the Thruway's neck. There is no commercial traffic on the canal. Every spring when I see the million dollar pleasure crafts return from wintering in the Caribbean Islands I wonder why the *ell we are subsidizing this.

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Taxedtoomuch

Jan-27-13 11:06 AM

Hill you are correct, it has been many,many years since I have seen any barge traffic on the canal. Time to stop funding it with taxpayer money. As far as the Thruway, I guess if they cut the Troopers, then state revenue from tickets falls, numbers will be reduced and leaders will not be needed for Troop T. When the NYSP was created, it was done to provide Police Services for small rural communities that could not afford their own Police forces. It seems that these taxpayer funded state agencies always morph into huge money pits that go well beyond the promises made when they are originally created and approved by the citizenry.

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taxtired

Jan-27-13 11:18 AM

Nothing is a money pit if you are the one collecting.

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TiredOfTax

Jan-27-13 12:09 PM

I just heard the funniest thing and have to share, sorry BS but: President Barack Obama pledged this morning in his weekly radio address to continue to crackdown on "irresponsible behavior." NOW this is the best joke that he has told! Maybe he has heard/seen himself recently?

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rschweizer

Jan-27-13 12:36 PM

Taxedtoomuch, I agree regarding Troop T, which is specifically allocated to the Thruway. It's an unbelievable system really, and talk about overlap for the towns the Thruway runs through that a lot of them have their own far cheaper police forces to do the same job.

And do you wanna see an even better waste? Go down to the Plaza in Albany, where the Troopers are actually the security force for the entire joint (thanks to former Gov Pataki, who made their presence there permanent) when they could just use private security.

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Hilltopper

Jan-27-13 1:16 PM

"We are extremely proud of the role CSNY has played in achieving real reform in Albany this year, including the early budget that was balanced without new taxes or gimmicks, pension reform that will save state and local taxpayers billions of dollars in the years to come, and smart investments in job creation that will put people to work and improve our economy," committee spokesmen Michael McKeon said Friday. "Albany is working again for the people of New York, and that's a turnaround that has made all of our efforts worthwhile." McKeon thinks we should just forget about the highest propery taxes in the nation and no mandate relief on the horizon for give away programs and their soaring administrative costs.

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TheArchitect

Jan-27-13 2:12 PM

The $85 million bailout is a ruse of highest order. The toll increase proposed last year should have been implemented, and the increase should not have been for just commercial vehicles, but for passenger vehicles as well.

The Thruway needs to continue to be a user-funded system. If you don't want to pay, you don't have to use the service. There are ample roads that parallel the Thruway that one can use as an alternative. The proposed bailout will result in all state taxpayers funding Thruway needs, not just the ones who use it. This is important since over 40% of the annual toll revenue the Thruway receives comes from out-of-state users. The $85 million bailout represents a subsidy to these out-of-state Thruway users on the back of state taxpayers.

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Knightowl

Jan-27-13 2:51 PM

The taking over the canal system by the NYS Thruway is only a piece of the puzzle. When this governor's father, Mario Cuomo,could not get his hands on Thruway revenue because the funds are dedicated, he simply deeded the two roadway's to the Authority, Route 84 from Connecticut to Penn. and Route 287 (Cross Westchester Expressway). Now the tolls that we pay to use the Thruway are being used to maintain, snowplow and pave those two roads. Rt 84 and 287 are interstate highways and already should be funded by interstate highway taxes that we are paying on every gallon of gas we purchase in NYS. Now this Gov Andrew Cuomo would like us to believe the NYS Thruway needs millions to stay afloat. Remove the properties that do not generate revenue and stop blaming the employees and troopers. We would then have plenty of money to rebuild the Tappan Zee Bridge.

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bmwfred

Jan-27-13 4:57 PM

The Northway RT87 and RT88 are both newer then the "T"way and are toll free. Don't they need snow plowing and other maint.?

This is just a case of the political hacks getting their teeth into something and not letting it go.

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Knickman

Jan-27-13 5:45 PM

The Thruway was built before the Eisenhower Interstate system came about. Thats why there were tolls to begin with. Even though the bonds were paid off in 1996, it is hard to get rid of a burocracy of high paid management that they do not need. The Thruway does get some federal funding from projects that came along, like adding a 3rd lane from Exit 24 to exit 25A in exchange for free toll between the Northway and I-88, and between I-88 and exit 26. Don't know if the same is true for the current 3rd lane construction between Exits 23 and 24. I believe there is going to be some funding for the Tappan Zee bridge replacement also.

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GReader

Jan-27-13 6:42 PM

Ishouldknow: Please see "Settle Down! 6 guidelines for using the exclamation point" from PR Magazine, July 16, 2012. "Good writers convey tone and emphasis through their words, not their punctuation."

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drugsrus

Jan-27-13 8:03 PM

wrong again swizzer. Having a dedicated unit to patrol the Thruway, a highway with very limited access in case you didn't notice, is a cost effective system. There is plenty of traffic to warrant that. In Pennsylvania they do the same thing, as does Jersey. And I'm sure the local police departments like it that way too.

The Plaza is state property, not the city's. When the state hospital system was in place, those properties were under State Police jurisdiction too. The locals had no authority on that property.

As aPennsylvania Dutchman would say "Don't talk so dumb"

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rschweizer

Jan-27-13 8:45 PM

drugsrus, please explain exactly how having an entire troop patrolling the Thruway, each having an average salary of about $85k or more, with some making well over $100k (BEFORE payroll taxes), is 'cost-effective' considering their salaries, benefits, fleet cars, etc., all come from tax payers like you and me? The Thruway is supposed to be self-sustaining, funded by the tolls collected by those who use it, not tax payers. So how do all of those things paid for by me equate to a 'cost-effective' system?

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laker88

Jan-27-13 8:52 PM

I hope you were all sitting down as you read these comments...tot has pulled a shocker...she's blaming the Dems, and then has an irrelevant post about Obama.

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rschweizer

Jan-27-13 8:54 PM

drugs, you missed my point about the Plaza being patrolled by very expensive state police who act basically as a security agency versus actually policing the place. There is no reason why state police should be issuing parking tickets (like the one who stupidly made a fatal error in one parking ticket for a client of mine and was forced to drop it) and manning the parking lots (including even manning the lift gates in and out of garages and working the cash registers in the V lot east of Swan Street).

That's a VERY costly practice, drugs.

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drugsrus

Jan-27-13 9:05 PM

OK swizzer - tell me who should patrol a highway with such lomited access, and how boundaries would be set. What happens between Pattersonville and Amsterdam, or Ft. Plain and Herkimer, and how many more personell and vehicles will the counties need ??

And don't take your shoes off to add.

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rschweizer

Jan-27-13 9:37 PM

drugsrus, the locales have it in them to patrol the Thruway just as they prosecute violations occurring along stretches running through them.

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drugsrus

Jan-27-13 10:15 PM

swizzer- you should be a politician. You didn't answer the question.

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Annarondac

Jan-28-13 8:34 AM

The Canal system includes a walk and biking trail. I've seen many people, whole families, of all means, use this trail. In doing so, I've seen, of course, the very large boats that do come from some far away place in which these families spend money here in NYS and smaller boats, maybe more local people. Snow birds also use the Thruway to come north and spend the summer in our beautiful Adirondacks. Lets keep in mind we don't want our taxes raised and not attack people because of their means or lack there of.

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