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Carbon tax a bad idea

January 23, 2013

Now that President Barack Obama has won election to his second term, he is free to pursue some of the goals he considered but backed away from due to public outcry during his first four years....

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rocky1

Jan-23-13 12:09 PM

Looking forward to all the disagree statements today. I need a good laugh!

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1stwardcitizen

Jan-23-13 12:49 PM

I love the people that send letters in backing the absentee Mayor. He has done nothing positive for the City since he took office. He doesn't even show up to work, unless there is a TV camera there.

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rschweizer

Jan-23-13 12:50 PM

Something's mis-written here.

First of all, you can't introduce a resolution that blocks anything. You can speak about it in an attempt to get your fellow reps to vote on anything (in this case, against future legislation), but you can't actually introduce legislation that blocks something that doesn't exist.

Secondly, and on the topic of the 'editorial', the carbon tax will certainly cause scorn, contempt, and outcry from the right; but what should be realized here is that the tax should drive a demand to innovate and introduce cheaper energy methods. When gasoline prices went high in the 70's, people aimed for lighter and more fuel-efficient cars versus those brutalist muscle cars Americans loved to love. Nissan, Toyota, and Honda all made names for themselves and even proved to be of better quality.

Looks like this 'Republican' can talk a good talk against something without realizing the other alternative, be it intentional or not.

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TiredOfTax

Jan-23-13 1:58 PM

I say it is about time. Obama has had it in for the energy guys all along and it is not surprising that he wants to TAX us more, because he wants to TAX US A LOT MORE! It is part of the grand plan to redistribute the "wealth" in our nation from those that earn it to those he feels should GET it. Call it anything you want carbon, fuel energy but the real name is redistribution tax!

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Scarecrow57

Jan-23-13 1:58 PM

Ahh A topic that I have studied extensively. "Anthropogenic Global Warming" (AGW). It is complete arrogance to think that the 0.5% of carbon emissions produced by mankind has any significant impact on the climate. Especially when H2O is the predominate green house gas. H20 Represents 4% of the atmosphere, CO2 represents 0.0096%.

Next, the Models developed by the IPCC have all been show to be WAY off, like not even close. The reason, they relied heavily on strong positive feedback and ignored negative feedback.

Bottom line is the reputable science tells us that AGW is a huge hoax that only the sheep buy in too.

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DaveGibson

Jan-23-13 2:27 PM

Obama's "war on coal" is nothing more than the politics of the last election. There is no war on coal. The coal power plants are closing are 40 to 50 years old and inefficient, and at $3 per mBTUs can't compete with natural gas at $2.85 per mBTUs. This is nothing more than capitalism doing its thing.

Coal produces half of our country's electricity, and it's the dirtiest of all fossil fuels. It's responsible for much of the acid rain that's hit the northeast. Don't mistake EPA efforts to regulate the industry and compel them to implement clean coal technology with a "war on coal".

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taxtired

Jan-23-13 3:15 PM

Heh rocky, Bullwinkle said there are stars in space. lol

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Scarecrow57

Jan-23-13 3:23 PM

Dave, we have all of these old power plants because of the regulatory hurdles and hoops that one must jump over and through to build a new one.

As for the Acid rain. Years ago, it was raining, I gathered the rain. I used my PH test kit form the aquarium ( a scale of 6.6 to 7.4) and found the rain to be a perfect 7.0. I then tested the lakes and streams. Guess what? All 7.0. Acid rain is just another lie perpetuated for political gain.

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DaveGibson

Jan-23-13 3:30 PM

Funny, there was an article in yesterday's LH about a program to reverse damage from acid rain. I guess that political group, the Adirondack Council, disagrees with you Scarecrow.

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Scarecrow57

Jan-23-13 4:26 PM

Yes Dave, I saw that.

Here is a funny thing I learned. Aquariums are closed systems. The fish and plant life in there create debris. Specifically, the fish excrete ammonia, bacteria attack the ammonia breaking is down to a nitrite, other bacteria break down this nitrite into a nitrate. Thus, they create their own acid. Rotting debris does the same thing. The excess nutrients run off into the lakes. So in a mature forest, there are more excess nutrients that run off into the lake. Given a high volume of wild life in a mature forest will lead to acidic water if there is not sufficient flow.

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DaveGibson

Jan-23-13 5:08 PM

Yes, I understand that, especially around pine forests. Wouldn't acid rain make it worse?

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rschweizer

Jan-23-13 5:28 PM

Scarecrow57, I don't believe you actually went through those lengths, but even so, just because you used your cheap pH scale designed for home use in yuor aquarium, we're to dismiss what scientists with much better instruments and data say?

Also, you're a pretty bad liar. Only PURE water has a pH of 7.0. The water in lakes has other things in it that would make it ever-so-slightly acidic or alkaline, but certainly not a perfect 7.0.

And did you consider acid rain is something to prevent before it even happens? So the (fake) 7.0 pH you found is good and hopefully it stays that way? Or that it was once lower and now has gotten better thanks to efforts? I didn't think so.

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taxtired

Jan-23-13 6:27 PM

Rs, Albert Einstein would be proud of you. You are a Expert on all. Oh the formula for standing water is h2o+co2=h2co3. Pure water only in a lab.

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rschweizer

Jan-23-13 7:31 PM

taxtired, I guess the jokes on you for proving how absurd that deduction was:

water + carbon dioxide yields carbonic ACID

and there's no such thing as 'standing water.'

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taxtired

Jan-24-13 6:51 AM

rs, Standing water means water exposed to the atmosphere. And yes that is the fomula. Get off your butt and look it up. Just a few keystokes on the internet will tell u this. Hmmm so i guess u DO NOT know it all.

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taxtired

Jan-24-13 6:52 AM

ps what is a mud puddle if it is not standing water ???

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taxtired

Jan-24-13 7:00 AM

WOW rs has his foot in his mouth again or is it still ??

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Scarecrow57

Jan-24-13 8:06 AM

"Yes, I understand that, especially around pine forests. Wouldn't acid rain make it worse? "

If there were any acid in the rain. I learned years ago just because someone says something like this doesn't make it true. You can easily go buy a PH test kit and test the falling rain yourself. There is NO ACID in the rain.

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Scarecrow57

Jan-24-13 8:08 AM

rschweizer Tell you what, repeat the experiment. Prove it to yourself.

And btw, the Aquarium test kit is designed to detect acid levels dangerous to fish, Same thing we are claiming is happening in the lakes.

The only modification one could possible make is to evaporate the water to see what is left.

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Carlttfn

Jan-24-13 11:34 AM

rschweizer.. "Also, you're a pretty bad liar. Only PURE water has a pH of 7.0."

You leave out a MAJOR aspect of the measurement...that pH of 7.0 is as measured AT EXACTLY 25*'s celsius. That is 77*'s F...at higher or lower temps the Kw(ionization rate) of "Pure" water changes as does the pH. The ph of Pure water at 30*c(86*f) and the pH value is 6.92, at 10*c(50*f) it's 7.27

ANY water can have a pH of 7 if contamination gets it there.

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rschweizer

Jan-24-13 12:35 PM

Carlttfn I see with have another chemist in the room. I know how pH measure works; but we're still talking water, regardless of temperature, as it related to Scarecrow's 'experiment.'

Scarecrow indicated he wasn't testing water as we know it, rather that he was testing lake and aquarium waters, and then assuming that just because the pH of that lake or aquarium may or may not have been 7.0 that it was the same as being perfectly okay, failing to take note of precipitate, sediment, or other impurities.

I guess the question he should answer is 'it may be a pH of 7 and so safe, but would I drink it?'

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taxtired

Jan-24-13 1:41 PM

carl, give up on rs, When pure water reacts with air the ph will go down. This is a known fact.You know it and I know it. He is just a pest.

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taxtired

Jan-24-13 2:53 PM

rs, by the way ; stick to the topic. Just another tax. You most love to pay tax on a tax.

ps rocky1 have enough laughs. lol

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taxtired

Jan-24-13 6:53 PM

rs: u are welcome for your heap benefits

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drugsrus

Jan-24-13 10:19 PM

WOW, carbon is the cornerstone of life,and Barry wants to tax it. So what will the tax be on exhaling???

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