Carbon tax a bad idea

swizzer you can be both

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Carlttfn, I'll take 'leftist' over 'misinformed' any day.

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"rschweizer..Carlttfn, thanks for getting my point. And I think the men and women at the USGS should throw out all their scientific equipment for.."

Don't care what USGS does re this topic. The purpose of anything I've posted is to point out YOU have NO F'n clue because you leave out EXTREMELY important parts of an equation like the ONLY time the pH of Pure water is 7..is at 25*c and yet want to appear smarter than the average stump(code word for far leftist). We can do this all day....won't go well for you.

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Carlttfn, thanks for getting my point. And I think the men and women at the USGS should throw out all their scientific equipment for 'Scarecrow's Home pH Test Kit - New and Improved!'

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With all the schooling does that make him an intelligent morron ??

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Carlttfn -arguong with swizzer is an exercise in futility. He says he went to skool a long time and got really, really smart, so he must no wat he's talking about

purposely mispeled sum things here

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"rschweizer...Carlttfn I see with have another chemist in the room. I know how pH measure works;"

Maybe you do(I doubt it really) but you either are lying when you say "Only PURE water has a pH of 7.0" or you are trying to openly baffle with BS...as Pure H20 ONLY has a pH of 7 at 25*c and that is an extremely important part of the bait and switch your are attempting.

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WOW, carbon is the cornerstone of life,and Barry wants to tax it. So what will the tax be on exhaling???

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rs: u are welcome for your heap benefits

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rs, by the way ; stick to the topic. Just another tax. You most love to pay tax on a tax.

ps rocky1 have enough laughs. lol

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carl, give up on rs, When pure water reacts with air the ph will go down. This is a known fact.You know it and I know it. He is just a pest.

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Carlttfn I see with have another chemist in the room. I know how pH measure works; but we're still talking water, regardless of temperature, as it related to Scarecrow's 'experiment.'

Scarecrow indicated he wasn't testing water as we know it, rather that he was testing lake and aquarium waters, and then assuming that just because the pH of that lake or aquarium may or may not have been 7.0 that it was the same as being perfectly okay, failing to take note of precipitate, sediment, or other impurities.

I guess the question he should answer is 'it may be a pH of 7 and so safe, but would I drink it?'

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rschweizer.. "Also, you're a pretty bad liar. Only PURE water has a pH of 7.0."

You leave out a MAJOR aspect of the measurement...that pH of 7.0 is as measured AT EXACTLY 25*'s celsius. That is 77*'s F...at higher or lower temps the Kw(ionization rate) of "Pure" water changes as does the pH. The ph of Pure water at 30*c(86*f) and the pH value is 6.92, at 10*c(50*f) it's 7.27

ANY water can have a pH of 7 if contamination gets it there.

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rschweizer Tell you what, repeat the experiment. Prove it to yourself.

And btw, the Aquarium test kit is designed to detect acid levels dangerous to fish, Same thing we are claiming is happening in the lakes.

The only modification one could possible make is to evaporate the water to see what is left.

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"Yes, I understand that, especially around pine forests. Wouldn't acid rain make it worse? "

If there were any acid in the rain. I learned years ago just because someone says something like this doesn't make it true. You can easily go buy a PH test kit and test the falling rain yourself. There is NO ACID in the rain.

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WOW rs has his foot in his mouth again or is it still ??

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ps what is a mud puddle if it is not standing water ???

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rs, Standing water means water exposed to the atmosphere. And yes that is the fomula. Get off your butt and look it up. Just a few keystokes on the internet will tell u this. Hmmm so i guess u DO NOT know it all.

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taxtired, I guess the jokes on you for proving how absurd that deduction was:

water + carbon dioxide yields carbonic ACID

and there's no such thing as 'standing water.'

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Rs, Albert Einstein would be proud of you. You are a Expert on all. Oh the formula for standing water is h2o+co2=h2co3. Pure water only in a lab.

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Scarecrow57, I don't believe you actually went through those lengths, but even so, just because you used your cheap pH scale designed for home use in yuor aquarium, we're to dismiss what scientists with much better instruments and data say?

Also, you're a pretty bad liar. Only PURE water has a pH of 7.0. The water in lakes has other things in it that would make it ever-so-slightly acidic or alkaline, but certainly not a perfect 7.0.

And did you consider acid rain is something to prevent before it even happens? So the (fake) 7.0 pH you found is good and hopefully it stays that way? Or that it was once lower and now has gotten better thanks to efforts? I didn't think so.

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Yes, I understand that, especially around pine forests. Wouldn't acid rain make it worse?

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Yes Dave, I saw that.

Here is a funny thing I learned. Aquariums are closed systems. The fish and plant life in there create debris. Specifically, the fish excrete ammonia, bacteria attack the ammonia breaking is down to a nitrite, other bacteria break down this nitrite into a nitrate. Thus, they create their own acid. Rotting debris does the same thing. The excess nutrients run off into the lakes. So in a mature forest, there are more excess nutrients that run off into the lake. Given a high volume of wild life in a mature forest will lead to acidic water if there is not sufficient flow.

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Funny, there was an article in yesterday's LH about a program to reverse damage from acid rain. I guess that political group, the Adirondack Council, disagrees with you Scarecrow.

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Dave, we have all of these old power plants because of the regulatory hurdles and hoops that one must jump over and through to build a new one.

As for the Acid rain. Years ago, it was raining, I gathered the rain. I used my PH test kit form the aquarium ( a scale of 6.6 to 7.4) and found the rain to be a perfect 7.0. I then tested the lakes and streams. Guess what? All 7.0. Acid rain is just another lie perpetuated for political gain.

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