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Law created in the dark

January 17, 2013

The new gun-control bill may have been a victory for lawmakers, but it was a defeat for those who believe in open government....

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Jan-21-13 5:14 PM

Bad deal passing this legislation. I noticed the governors eyes when he was yapping about it. That wild eyed look tells me he's completely out of touch with reality, and certainly no person to hold high office anywhere.

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Jan-20-13 2:21 PM

Why is it worth millions of dollars to get elected to a job that will never cover that cost? CORRUPTION!

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Jan-20-13 8:55 AM

Anyone who wants to read the full 41 pages of the law with signatures, Go to want ad digest, then guns for sale, then follow link.

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Jan-18-13 9:47 PM

Skrocki-are the criminals aware of all this??? Oh- I forgot THEY DON'T CARE

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Jan-18-13 3:16 PM

It's a shame when you have to have millions of dollars just to run for office. So the best the general public can do is to vote for the lesser of the 2 evils.

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Jan-18-13 2:45 PM

Maybe the commenter should have read the law before posting. Why are people dwelling on the 7 rounds vs 10? It's a minor portion of the NY SAFE (Secure Ammunition and Firearms Act). It promotes accountability through registration. It adds nothing new to the definition of assault weapons, just changed the number of qualifying characteristics from two to one. It requires universal background checks for all gun and ammo purchases. It bans internet sales to private individuals. It increases penalties for gun violations including the protection of first responders by making it Class A-1 felony (mandatory life in prison) for killing responding emergency personnel. It increases evaluation by mental health personnel including mandatory reporting. Don't blame Governor Cuomo for this law. The State Legislature passes laws, the Governor signs them. This law passed with an overwhelming margin: Assembly 104-43/Senate 43-18.

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Jan-18-13 2:00 PM

They should have taken the time to read thier own law before signing it.

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Jan-18-13 1:58 PM

Drugs, They carry more then a 10 round clip. This makes the clip against the law to use. They will have to sell them out of state like the rest of us I guess. And have to wait to get a seven round. Mario will add an ammendment though.

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Jan-17-13 10:15 PM

usually there is a provision for law enforcement, but "they" were in such a hurry to "get this on the books' that the exemption was left out

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Jan-17-13 8:39 PM

drugs....I think law enforcement will be exempt.

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Jan-17-13 8:26 PM

I herd this afternoon that the new law does not exempt law enforcement from the 7 shot criteria. Are they going to arrest themselves or only carry 7 rounds per clip which is legal. 10 round clips now in your possession loaded with 7 is legal. 8 even in your home is a misdemeanor

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Jan-17-13 7:47 PM

Does anyone think that a mentally deranged person that goes to a school to kill kids is going to stop at 7 bullets in a clip? SO you think that any law whatsoever is going to snap him into better judgment? If you do, you may just need to be evaluated too!

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Jan-17-13 7:42 PM

This law is not the answer. The contents will cost a fortune to enforce and background checks as well as mental health screening are not inexpensive answers and it will cost licensed gun owners. We as gun owners will be paying the price for outlaws actions. This may be a great answer in the greater NYC area but it has no place in upstate NY. See you at the capital at noon on Saturday to tell them what you think!

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Jan-17-13 5:47 PM

hey, gkh1946 let me guess you're going to tell us to move out of the country next if we don't like what the gov't is pulling over on us. Cuomo didn't even give us a kiss with the ****ing he gave us the other night. Hope he sleeps good at night when remington pulls out of NY, great decision pal

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Jan-17-13 5:42 PM


A ten round clip is a long way from a 30 round clip. This law made something as simple as a .22 caliber rifle illegal because most hold at least 10 rounds. The whole point is the legislature used this magic number. It's like me telling you your car is illegal if it has more than 3 tires. Gun manufactures do not make such a clip and they D*&% well knew that fact.

And in all honesty do you feel any safer? This isn't commonsense gun control ... this is just Andrew's way to publicize himself into getting elected the Democrats up and coming candidate. Pure politics. He was looking for a way to put his face on the national staged, gain the hearts and minds of the democratic party. He's making a deal with the devil. Gun's were never the problem.

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Jan-17-13 4:35 PM

"Knee jerk" politics same as our "Dear Leader" operates. (Never waste a good "crisis") After 62 years I took a non knee jerk solution and moved outta NYS. I have 2 grown kids and both have also left NYS....never to return except to visit friends and relatives on vacations. Nobody is forcing y'all to stay there. Just sayin'.

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Jan-17-13 3:58 PM

Sheriff Lorey made reference to the $200 pistol permit fee in yesterday's Leader. There is no reason to doubt that the renewal would be less.

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Jan-17-13 1:28 PM

open dot nysenate dot gov/legislation/bill/S2230-2013. Take the time to read it.

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Jan-17-13 1:18 PM

First, this was POOR Governance and will likely cost Adam Cuomo in the Future.

Second. This legislation will do NOTHING to prevent or reduce crime; it is nothing but Political Grandstanding.

The real problem is not the guns or the use of guns i crimes. According to DCJS guns are used in 15% of the crimes in NYS.

The real Problem folks are the criminals. We tried this notion that we must treat criminals with dignity and pamper them. Obviously this experiment failed. Time to take away the luxury meals and replace them with Split Pea soup, a slice of bread, and a glass of water. Eliminate all of the visits. Remove the TVs. Eliminate the exercise rooms. Instead institute chain gangs were you go out and dig a ditch by hand then fill it back in.

Make the Prisons less like country clubs so the criminals don't want to continue the lifestyle.

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Jan-17-13 1:12 PM

"Someone explain to me why anyone needs any gun that has the capacity to have more than 6 rounds of amo in it."

Same reason we need Boats, cars that do 200 mph, flat screen TVs, iPhones, Canoes, you name it. BECAUSE this is a FREE country and we want it.

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Jan-17-13 1:11 PM

in all seriousness though, My handgun came with a 10 round magazine. If it had come with a 7 round magazine it would be fine. There is know difference between 7 and 10 rounds. The problem I have with it is that where I was a law abiding, responsible gun owner yesterday, today, with a stroke of a pen, I am now a criminal. How is that right? No one is safer because of this bill. That is a fact...

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Jan-17-13 1:04 PM

well if you're the 7th guy through the door...I'd need more than 6.

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Jan-17-13 12:43 PM

Someone explain to me why anyone needs any gun that has the capacity to have more than 6 rounds of amo in it. Yes there needs to be better ways of keeping these kings of guns out of the hands of someone that may have mental problems, so tell me what better way to do that than not allowing those kinds of weapons to be ownwd by the public. Do we not see all to many times where some one was shot by someone that should not have been able to have the gun only because the responsible gun owner failed to properly keep it away from the person who got hold of it and shot another person.

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Jan-17-13 12:03 PM

RIchard: I agree that the renewal process is punitive for law bdding gun owners. However, the text of the bill makes no mention of a $200 fee. * "Section 48 of the bill amends the Penal Law to require that every county recertify a gun license holder's license every five years. Failure to recertify during this five year period equates to revocation of the license. The section also adds bases for denial of a license to an applicant, including connection of a felony or serious offense, being presently subject to an order of protection; and expands the criteria for denial based on an applicant's history of mental illness." Whatever the cost, we know it won't be cheap.

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Jan-17-13 11:45 AM

Let me preface this post by saying thatI support the new laws, BUT, not the way it was handled.....Now, on to my point. The LH speaks out about how this was done over this issue, yet supported the Governor's new Tier 6 for public employees that was steamrolled through in the dead of night (the same way this was). typical. Speaking out of both sides of their mouth....You can't pick and choose when "backroom government" is ok and when it's not.

It should NEVER be an acceptable way to do business, LH....NEVER

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