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Mandates need action

January 11, 2013

We hear a lot of talk about state mandate relief, but we’re not seeing much progress....

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Jan-11-13 1:03 PM

Wake-up call?? You bet. This is a wake up call to property tax payers that the ONLY way to stop this is to stop paying the mandate line on your property taxes. Words are not going to solve this one. Slapping them hard in the wallet WILL. Complain all you want but if you want action, we'll have to do it ourselves. There are no politicians, local, regional or federal that will agreeably cut our property taxes. The threat of property confiscation one way or another hangs over our heads. I'm for saving my head and my property.

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Jan-11-13 1:56 PM

Bob... this is the plan. It is what ummm "those" people talk about when they want to redistribute our shared wealth... shared by them on what they want not on the frivolous things you want to spend it on... like family or your own bills!

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Jan-11-13 5:37 PM

I see the renters are chiming in.

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Jan-11-13 5:44 PM

All the more reason to leave the state when I retire.

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Jan-11-13 7:22 PM

Knickman, good point. To that extent, it may actually be beneficial for retirees to go elsewhere. I could explain my position in greater detail, but it'd probably be more than the 1000-character limit in place here. For starters:

-less money from people like me and I assume you to foot their bills for NY STAR exemptions for taxes paid, which total billions of $ across the state -retirees with STAR who own houses here can sell them to people who don't get STAR, thereby putting those homes back on the taxrolls, meaning more people paying into the books versus only you and me, which would effectively lower taxes on the individual

-less money into the state's Medicaid system for seniors who need that additional coverage (of course the drawback would mean it would then be another state's problem)

Of course this doesn't mean NY should take an anti-retiree stance; but it's certainly worth considering.

The biggest drawback would mean fewer rep's in DC, but that may not be so bad.

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Jan-11-13 7:52 PM

One of the biggest scams going is the way agricultural exemptions are handed out like Halloween candy. No problem with the legit ones, but I have a big problem with assessors who fail to check the applicant's 1040 for the 10K gross earnings in an agricultural pursuit needed for your 7.5 acres to meet minimum requirements. The number of operating farms has dwindlied down to nothing, but all the exemption are still in place. In some local towns 50% of all taxable property has an agricultural exemption. Before we blame everything on Albany, check on your local yokel assessor first. There is local control of that yokel.

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Jan-11-13 7:56 PM

Disco: If you stick around are you saying that you are not an intelligent New Yorker?

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Jan-11-13 8:20 PM

How about this fact! NY has the highest cost per client of the developementaly disabled at 1.9 million per person, which means that Fulton County's share is 25% of that. or 495,000 per Lexington client. They pay no taxes or service charges! What is this costing us taxpayers?

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Jan-11-13 8:37 PM

Got to admit ny has the highest taxes in the U.S.A. Why is another ???

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Jan-11-13 8:43 PM

Hill, take a look at all exemptions, you will be surprised to see many people getting exemptions they are not intitled to. I found dead people and retired people with incomes of over $100,000 getting exemptions in our town!

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Jan-11-13 9:06 PM

What evidence does ishouldknow have to prove these claims? And by evidence, ishouldknow should include specific citations from his sources, including the names or titles of the documents, page numbers, and locations of where those documents can be found.

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Jan-11-13 10:35 PM

Portnoy: You forgot to sign on as Disco.

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Jan-12-13 1:17 AM

GReader, I've tried to get cited sources for the 'facts' some people here tout but find myself getting pasted articles from newspapers totally unrelated to the 'fact' at all.

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Jan-12-13 8:23 AM

Wake up call!?? What the heck do you think Ive been whining about for the last 9 years! Read your own paper once and a while.

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Jan-12-13 8:37 AM

rschweizer, You wait for sources of the 'facts' I am still waiting for the proof that big oil bought all the green ideas and locked them away while continuing to building gas guzzlers... when you get a minute OK?

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Jan-12-13 10:28 AM

Guess what rschweizer, that STAR exemption, unlike car insurance, goes with the PERSON not the house, I sell my house, buy another and the exemption goes with me and you still foot the bill. I used to an idealist too, then I grew up. It's obvious you've never bought a house or you would not come up nonsense like only selling to someone who does not qualify for STAR, you'd be spending a lot of time and money in litigation and end up losing your house, money. If you really want to debate retired senior vs young idealist, bring it on, but also bring your A-game, leave the name calling and personal attacks out of it and we'll see how you do because its past time you started learning how to defend YOUR positions rather that criticizing and demanding answers of others while not contributing anything worthwhile. That is, unless you like getting verbally azzkicked every time you post.

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Jan-12-13 2:01 PM

rschweizer-the best move I ever made was leaving The Peoples Republic of New York 40 yrs. ago. I saw that the first year out. My brother got a bigger tax return check from NY than my tax bill was to Pa. on comparable incomes and you should heed the advice given by MrBob. you haven't learned yet that the good Lord gave you (and everybody else) 2 ears for listening, 2 eyes for seeing (reading in this case) and only 1 mouth (OK 2 hands for typing here)for a reason. I'll tell you again - before you can be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid. You learned nothing in college.

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Jan-12-13 2:46 PM

greader- go to your assessors office and go through the assessment book and you can see all the exemptions!

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Jan-12-13 2:47 PM

MrBoB51, I know exactly how STAR works and never claimed it went with the property not the person, so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. And yes I have two homes in the county, one I live in. The objective I was suggesting is that STAR-qualified retirees leaving the state, as was suggested by Knickman had you read that comment, could actually be beneficial, as the former STAR-owned and -occupied home could then be bought and occupied by a non-STAR qualified person, which would eventually lower my tax bill, and yours asa well.

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Jan-12-13 4:07 PM

MrBoB51 you should know... the all knowing over-educated knows it all!

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Jan-12-13 8:14 PM

drugsrus, i'm fairly certain you are mildly brain-damaged.

But that's just a 'term of endearment', right?

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Jan-12-13 8:51 PM

rschweizer- ToT, MrBoB51, Scarecrow and even Hilltopper have been polite, trying to get you to "see some light" in errors of many of your posts. "topper, not long ago commented that one of us was a bit like a skunk (Rule#5-never get in a pi*sing contest w/a skunk). Good analogy to trying to show you where you could be wrong. BUT you just keep on going trying to show us how much you know and how right you are. The reality is that you are just an over educated jerk who is so far out of touch with the real world that it is plain to see that you are beyond hope. Your pal pres. Barry needs useful idiots like you to steer the masses to a new Constitution and disolve the USA as we (not you)currently know our country. I've always said that I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. I now realize that that is you. So say what you want, I'm done

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Jan-13-13 8:09 AM

That may not what you intended to say rschweizer but it is what you wrote. In your next post you allude to getting seniors and STAR recipients out of NYS to save money. How? Relocation? You may think you have good intentions but you do not know how to articulate or present anything that doesn't insult or try to create a divide, another Alinski Rule you don't know how to apply. As I have said, that works in school, not in Realville. Some of us have already run the race even before you got the notice it was scheduled. You have a lot of catching up to do.

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Jan-13-13 8:14 AM

Drugs, I know what you're saying but I don't believe successful indoctrination is the same thing as an education.

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Jan-13-13 8:52 AM

Ishouldknow: where is your evidence on your Lexington claims?

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